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  • Primal Confusion...Different "Paleo" diets?



    Hey all,


    I'm new to this and still researching different sites. I found one http://www.thepaleodiet.com/aboutus/ and it seems to be led by Loren Cordain, Ph.D. His "version" of the Paleo diet consists of LEAN meats and I think more fruit whereas this stresses lean and non-lean meats.


    Sooooo... I'm confused. If you eat more lean mean (less saturated fat) you should eat more fruit vs. the PB you eat more saturated fats and less fruit?


    What's goin' on here?


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    eh it's totally different ... primal isn't the same as paleo or a version of paleo. There is some overlap but in what I've read anyway it seems like paleo people are pretty scared of fat.


    (Someone chime in with more info please)


    I prefer primal to paleo, definitely. If I eat too much fruit it makes me hungrier and makes me crave more carbs... and if I don't eat enough fat I don't stay satisfied.

    Probably 60-75% of my calories come from fat on any given day. It's awesome.

    Eating lots but still hungry? Eat more fat. Mid-day sluggishness? Eat more fat. Feeling depressed or irritable? Eat more fat. People think you've developed an eating disorder? Eat more fat... in front of them.

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      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...leo-and-Primal


      PB is based upon paleo. The paleo diet is about eating what paleo man ate (ie. Grok). Mark also includes non-paleo foods in PB and allows cheating.


      Cordain was wrong about lean meat. He did not create paleo eating, he just wrote a book about it.


      Paleo can also be carnivorous. It's quite likely that middle/lower paleo man was mostly carnivorous and hunted for saturated animal fat.
      The "Seven Deadly Sins"

      • Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . .• Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
      • Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . • Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . • Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
      • Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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        That 'paleo' diet seems more interested in going back to humans in trees with small brains & bigger intestines...and Tofurky going on trees....good luck!


        Last night I was reading about low-carb vegans, out of morbid curiousity...of course the are very low grain/bean, etc. - but, guess the substitute - soy! Yes, that industrial product made for industrial brain-washed humans for breakfast, for lunch, for dinner and for snacks! Horrifying - and the reason she decided to go 'low carb' vegan was she was having health issues. Of course because of her brain-washed worldview she couldn't possibly question her veganism...anyway...it's actually pretty sad.

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          WTH does paleo have to do with tofu, soy and veganism?

          The "Seven Deadly Sins"

          • Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . .• Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
          • Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . • Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . • Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
          • Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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            Brit Paleo is a more strict version of Primal. It consists on avoiding all post-agricultural (or Neolithic) foods and diary. Primal is much more tolerant with new vegetables and fruits, and sees dairy and alcohol as ok if consumed sensibly. I see Paleo as the ideal, but Primal is already immensely better than the SAD.

            “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” -Oscar Wilde
            "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw
            "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." -Martin Mull

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              Hmm - I must be confused at which 'paleo' was targeted by the question - the one I am famaliar with doesn't like fat or red meat & advocates soy.

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                  The Paleo i'm familiar with is an abreviation of Paleoithic, and advocates eating like Paleolithic humans. The one you mention sounds depressing, as in apPaleoing.

                  “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” -Oscar Wilde
                  "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw
                  "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." -Martin Mull

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                    The "lean meat" part of Cordain's Paleo diet was pretty much a mistake based on the idea that animals were leaner back then, and not taking into account the fact that the hunter-gatherers would deliberately seek out the fattiest meat and organs. I believe that Cordain's actually recently admitted this much.


                    I don't see how soy could be a part of any "paleo" diet, even in the loosest definition. And Mark says to avoid poisonous substances as one of the 10 core Primal concepts...

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                      I don't believe that Cordain recommends grass-fed. If you are going to eat industrial meat; Low fat cuts might be a good choice.

                      It's grandma, but you can call me sir.

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                        The Paleo diet (aka Caveman diet or Neolithic diet) isn't a diet in the way that the Atkins or South Beach diets are - there's not different versions or different "rules" that you must follow. There is only one rule - eat foods that paleolithic people would have eaten.


                        Unfortunately, not everyone agrees on exactly how paleolithic people ate, and that's where the problem lies. The biggest "disparity" is with saturated fat. Many older written materials still hold to the belief that it's bad for you. Also, it's only recently that the O-6 to O-3 ratios have come to the forefront, and have been linked to grass-fed vs. grain-fed meat. Cordain's book is among these "older" ones.


                        Some followers of Paleo-eating go so far as to not eat any fruits or veggies that would not have grown in the areas where paleolithic people lived (ie: Tomatos only grew in the "new world" and thus would have been unknown to paleolithic people.)


                        But basically, it's accepted that a paleo-people ate only fruits, veggies, nuts and meat. No dairy, no grains, no legumes, no sugar (although limited amounts "natural sweeteners" like honey would be fine) and no alcohol.


                        "The Primal Blueprint" is Mark's take on Paleo, but with a few modifications, and some non-diet stuff added in (like advise on getting sun and types of exercise.). The Primal Blueprint isn't so strict on dairy.


                        The eating of more fat vs. carbs (ie: fruit) is mostly a weight-loss thing. Many people following either a "generic" paleo way of eating, or following Mark's Primal Blueprint are trying to loose weight. Also, many have found that eating more fat vs. carbs keeps people satiated longer and keeps away cravings for things like donuts and french-fries. But either way is just as valid.


                        Nether advocates soy, or any other type of processed food.

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                          The Paleo Diet, with a capital P, is as defined by Dr.Cordain - lean meat, no saturated fat, canola oil OK. Paleolithic diet or paleo for short is what our ancestors ate in the paleolithic times and no neolithic food is allowed. Primal is just a less restrictive paleo diet. This site provides a good summary of the paleolithic diet:


                          http://www.paleodiet.com/

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                            Weston Price Foundation on Cordain:
                            [quote]

                            If this sounds absurd, it's because absurd things happen when a professor of exercise tries to write a diet book that captures the current interest in the so-called caveman diet and adheres to political correctness at the same time. This book is as pc as pc can be--and totally ignorant of what we know about hunter-gatherer diets. Everyone who has described the diets of primitive peoples--Stefansson, Samuel Hearne, Cabeza de Vaca, Weston Price--has detailed the great emphasis these groups put on animal fat. Animal foods rich in fat were the basis of these diets. Animals were hunted selectively to procure those richest in fat. In good times, only the fattest parts were eaten, the lean meat was thrown away. In fact, the one thing Paleolithic Peter would never have eaten was a skinless chicken breast. He wanted the fat, the entrails, the bones, the contents of the stomach... the lean meat went to his dogs.
                            </blockquote>


                            http://tinyurl.com/kkx6bo


                            IMO, there is justified controversy about carb intake through tubers, but saturated fat? Using canola to cook? diet sodas?

                            “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” -Oscar Wilde
                            "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw
                            "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." -Martin Mull

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                              So there is another "extreme" with Paleo in relation to PB. I like the PB better as I&#39;ve already gotten used to it and the food is good...plus I can still have some cheese and milk...and chocolate.


                              Thank you to everyone for your insight!

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