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    Mark,
    We need your help!! This forum is a great place to get information but it has gotten out of control. Everyone seems t be an expert on Primal/Paleo/Primeo. If there are a 100 posts, there are 100 different opinions. Some people are getting to the point of being aggresive and demeaning. This community is losing the supportiviness that it had no too long ago. Many new people come here asking for advice and what they get is only even more confusion. We need your help to bring this forum back to a helpful and supportive community. Thanks Mark!
    All the best,
    Dennis

  • #2
    No, it's not. It's as supportive as it's ever been. Yes, I agree there are a lot of differing opinions and that can cause confusion. But we are always telling people to READ THE BOOK FIRST. If they don't, then it's their fault if they get bamboozled by all the different personal takes and tweaks or outright ignorance about the PB. Do you think it's a good idea for these boards to be moderated to the degree that, say, 30bananas is, where any dissent is met with outright bannings?
    You lousy kids! Get off my savannah!

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    • #3
      This is Web 2.0 - user-created content. By definition, this is the way it's going to be. You have to do your own research, too, you know.
      Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

      Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


      Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

      My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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      • #4
        I second the OP's opinion - this forum has become a terrible way to learn about PB, and it must be awfully confusing to start here. Griff, you are the perfect example - you'll tell anyone who'll listen that 50g carbs/day is too much, no matter what - just to name one typical thing. That's the Griff way, not the PB way as you obviously know. Fruit-free, ZC, very long fasting, pure carnivore - all this peripheral freak-show stuff is what the forum has become about. When was the last thread you saw about BAS recipes?
        If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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        • #5
          It's the same as it's been since I got here - which was early fall.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by profdjj View Post
            It's the same as it's been since I got here - which was early fall.
            I agree--I joined in September last year, and the forum doesn't seem to have changed much in that time.

            My advice to the OP: if you want to hear only from Mark, stick to his blog posts and avoid the forum.
            Liz.

            Zone diet on and off for several years....worked, but too much focus on exact meal composition
            Primal since July 2010...skinniest I've ever been and the least stressed about food

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            • #7
              We always judge any venue as if what was here when we got here has always been the way it was, even if the things we think are "tradition" only started the day before we got there.

              tfarny, yes, I admit that I advise people to stay below 50g carbs per day. I think that's the most sensible thing to do for insulin control, and I'm sorry, but unless someone is eating tons of fruit, they probably won't go above that if they are paying attention to what they are eating. Most people are here for insulin control and weight loss, not to become marathoners. For those who are ripped athletes, fine - my advice doesn't work for them. But I doubt that many of the ripped athletes even bother coming into the nutrition side of the forum. Most of the people I respond to are talking about having trouble losing weight. They post a food diary, and oh look - 300g carbs/day, or no fat in their diet. This is a constant thing, and I think I'm justified in pointing it out. If you want to lose weight, get below 50g per day. Increase if you like, but if you stop losing weight, that's going to be why. (Either that or you've reached homeostasis.)

              And I do, in fact, tell people to read the book.
              Primal eating in a nutshell: If you are hungry, eat Primal food until you are satisfied (not stuffed). Then stop. Wait until you're hungry again. Repeat.

              Looking for my Cholesterol Primer? Here it is: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...mer-(Attempt-2)


              Ditch the scale!: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread33283.html

              My Success Story: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread30615.html

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tfarny View Post
                I second the OP's opinion - this forum has become a terrible way to learn about PB, and it must be awfully confusing to start here. Griff, you are the perfect example - you'll tell anyone who'll listen that 50g carbs/day is too much, no matter what - just to name one typical thing. That's the Griff way, not the PB way as you obviously know. Fruit-free, ZC, very long fasting, pure carnivore - all this peripheral freak-show stuff is what the forum has become about. When was the last thread you saw about BAS recipes?
                I agree with you. My gf started reading the PB and every other day she comes up to me and points me to a passage and goes “… SEE IT’S NOT JUST EAT MEAT ALL DAY EVERYDAY… YOU CAN EAT FRUITS IT SAYS SO RIGHT HERE… MARK EATS SALADS DAILY WHY CAN’T I…”

                Which reminds me, I should really read that book.
                I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
                  Which reminds me, I should really read that book.

                  Nah, it is more fun to start a 40+ page argument about why Mark is wrong and you don't need to buy the book.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lizch View Post
                    My advice to the OP: if you want to hear only from Mark, stick to his blog posts and avoid the forum.
                    Maybe you're right.
                    I have read the book, I have done my own research.
                    Thanks for all the support!

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                    • #11
                      This forum is a great way for me to get other people's perspectives, learn from their trials and errors, and be motivated by other people's successes.
                      I personally don't mind getting 100 different answers to my questions. That's more to learn from. I can then figure out for myself what works for me by doing my own research from there. But I have also done a ton of research on my own before coming on this forum. I read the book first of all and most of the answers are in there. But at the same time, Mark has never had a weight problem, so someone like Griff would be able to give some insightful advice, based on his personal experience. I don't see Griff giving advice on how to get from 10% to 8% bodyfat. But there are also those people who can.
                      If you don't like all the different answers, then read PB, Good Calories Bad Calories, and whatever else that is available in books or online. You can't complain about what you're getting if all you want to be is spoonfed everything.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Griff View Post
                        We always judge any venue as if what was here when we got here has always been the way it was, even if the things we think are "tradition" only started the day before we got there.

                        tfarny, yes, I admit that I advise people to stay below 50g carbs per day. I think that's the most sensible thing to do for insulin control, and I'm sorry, but unless someone is eating tons of fruit, they probably won't go above that if they are paying attention to what they are eating. Most people are here for insulin control and weight loss, not to become marathoners. For those who are ripped athletes, fine - my advice doesn't work for them. But I doubt that many of the ripped athletes even bother coming into the nutrition side of the forum. Most of the people I respond to are talking about having trouble losing weight. They post a food diary, and oh look - 300g carbs/day, or no fat in their diet. This is a constant thing, and I think I'm justified in pointing it out. If you want to lose weight, get below 50g per day. Increase if you like, but if you stop losing weight, that's going to be why. (Either that or you've reached homeostasis.)

                        And I do, in fact, tell people to read the book.
                        Well I know you are mainly responding to weight-losers, and you do advise book reading, but you ought to say, "it's not really the PB, but i recommend X" just because you do write with an authoritative voice. And I and lots of others have in fact lost all the weight we needed to without resorting to VLC.
                        If you are new to the PB - please ignore ALL of this stuff, until you've read the book, or at least http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/ and this (personal fave): http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by canio6 View Post
                          Nah, it is more fun to start a 40+ page argument about why Mark is wrong and you don't need to buy the book.


                          The last thing we need is heavy handed moderation!

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                          • #14
                            Where's the fun in getting just one answer to your question? Or worse, a hundred people answering the SAME THING? Like a zombie forum, with bigger appetites.

                            its been a little weird around here with teenage illiterates willfully misunderstanding PB. Its off-putting. But it passes.

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                            • #15
                              Ahhhh c'mon.
                              I see more of "Did Grok eat peppers and ranch dressing?" than I do of "I've just speared a bison - do I rip out the heart or liver first?"

                              It's been said numerous times that the forum is an extension of the book, NOT a replacement. I would even say not to venture here until reading the book, or at least enough of the blog to know The Primal Blueprint (copyright etc). Try that on for size, and if something's not right then start exploring.

                              "Pimp my diet", so to speak

                              When I joined, many moons ago (!), there was a lot of geeking out over specific studies, really in depth discussions, very nerdy/intellectual. I kinda miss that. I see more of the cultish behavious that "we" criticise in others, a lot more repetition of threads, and yes a lot of newbie questions that I believe are answered in the book (I tend not to weigh in on those so I don't cause confusion).

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