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    I am a very healthy 27 year old female - and I am 7 weeks pregnant. I have been struggling with the decision whether or not to get the Swine Flu vaccine. Of course I am in a supposed "high risk" category for flu infection, which I have been told over and over could kill me or end my pregnancy. My issue with the vaccine is - Squalene - it is an adjuvant to the H1N1 vaccine to help deliver the vaccine into the immune system. While Squalene is naturally produced by the human body - I believe it is harvested from sharks as well?- some doctors believe that when it is introduced into the human body through injection, the body is now reprogrammed to fight Squalene - naturally produced or not. Squalene is also found in the controversial anthrax vaccine which is still considered experimental on military personnel and has been linked to Gulf War Syndrome, autoimmune disease and arthritis.

    It is described on the World Association for Vaccine Education website as "Too dangerous for human use, Squalene is not licensed for use in the United States. Oil adjuvants like squalene have been ordinarily used to inflict diseases in animals – for experimentation and study".

    It reduces the amount of vaccine needed per dose .. Thus making the drug company’s alot more money. I would hate to make a rash decision based on fear that might have adverse lifetime effects on myself or my baby. But is it worth the possible risk for the “protection”?

    Help!


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    Yikes. That's a tough one. I wouldn't know what to tell you to do (mostly since you're pregnant). I, for myself, will not be getting that shot. I don't trust it.


    I say- go with your gut. What does your gut tell you? It's never wrong.

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      I won't be getting it! Not that I would get one ever but a first-round flu-shot kinda scares me. Round 1 - Guinea Pigs.

      I grok, therefore I am.

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        My sentiments exactly, Lovestoclimb.

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          Me neither... And if I were pregnant and knowing what I know now, I wouldn't get it either... My son is 8 and I never got the flu shot, not even when I was pregnant... But I do agree with Ecala - what does your gut and your baby tell you...

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            I'm going to get it as are my kids. Fatalities are greatest in my kids age.


            I list the pros and cons and think the pros far outweigh the cons.

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              No shot for me.

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                I've already had swine-flu so I wont be touching the vaccine. Not that I would anyway.

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                  No vaccine for me. If we were talking about tuberculosis, here, then maybe...but this is the FLU, people.


                  Yes, it spreads rapidly. Yes, it kills a few people. So does the seasonal flu.


                  I just don't think the risk of H1N1, even if you get it, is as worrisome as the risk of the vaccine. My opinion.


                  I think you nailed it in your post title: There is money to be made. Lots of money. And fear is a tried and true sales tactic.

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                    +1 for no shot.


                    I think our systems can handle this disease (as with most modern ones)...if we're in "prime/al" mode


                    We're far more capable than we really are, it's just these dang creations that hijack our psychs. We're tempted to trade-in our optimal condition for momentary bliss ~ nothing more than a flood of neurotransmitters. IMHO

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                      Here's an amusing little conspiracy vid.


                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWGv8T0POi4&feature=player_embedded


                      And then there's this.


                      http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/video...Q5sPObB628E8LL

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                        I work in a non-clinical role in a women's hospital, so I got it for free. I've never had much issues with vaccines. I'm sure I would have fought it off anyway, but I see is as getting to control when my body builds it's antibodies. Maybe my view of how vaccines work is a bit too simplistic?

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                          As usual, hype and misinformation. Not that the decision isn't individual, but one needs to go into this with a clear, non-emotional head.


                          1. Vaccines are NOT big business, it is not a significant revenue stream. Most seasonal flu vaccines aren't even made in the US because of the low profit. No glory compared to Viagra or statins.


                          2. I didn't know about Squalene, so of course, looked to Wikip for some info. As to the link with increased antibodies with Gulf War vets, it was one study only and the summary conclusion was: "It is important to note that our laboratory-based investigations do not establish that squalene was added as adjuvant to any vaccine used in military or other personnel who served in the Persian Gulf War era." A later study reported that many humans have squalene antibodies in their blood, regardless of whether or not they received squalene from a vaccination.[12]


                          Not exactly an incriminating indictment.


                          Eyeshield, I gotta tell you, and I mean no slight, but that is such an ignorant statement. Because we eat a certain way we will most assuredly shrug off illness? Most of the non-Western world was eating what we would call Primal in 1918. Did not help those millions and that flu is a kissing cousin to the swine flu.


                          I'd certainly get the shot.

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                            I don't think that was an ignorant statement at all! OTB sometimes you are such a know-it-all! (you don't, btw)


                            Eating "primally" means getting the right vitamins from whole foods and fats and healthy, non-toxic sources (if you're doing it right that is). Also by avoiding toxins, sugar & other poisonous things (like flu shots!!)


                            That is basically why I feel comfortable knowing I will probably not get the flu-- swine or seasonal. Because I take care of myself. I don't get colds - I haven't had the flu in probably over 10 years. I don't get sick! Knock on wood!

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                              I got the seasonal flu vaccine for free through my workplace but probably will not get the H1N1 vaccine. I don't feel it's right for myself, a healthy adult, to get that vaccine when those with more risk cannot get it due to shortages.


                              Unfortunately, just because you're healthy as a horse doesn't mean you're not at risk. There's so many factors at play with each and every person's risk of exposure through contact, living environment, and working condition.


                              Now, that said, I feel those living and eating primally have a better chance to recover more quickly from flu and illness. This has been my case for the past few years. I may get sick, but I'm up and running quickly.

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