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  • #91
    Eh, I went from having coffee with 4-5 spoonfuls of sugar and powdered "creamer" made of who-knows-what, to coffee with a spoonful each of sugar and truvia* with heavy cream when I went primal.

    For me, that was a big step and I'm fine with keeping it that way for now. Coffee is more of an emotional addiction for me than a physical one--I have gone without it with no ill effects, but I'm a creature of habit and I figure that as long as I'm not putting a ton of sugar in it anymore and not drinking a lot of it (generally not more than 1.5 cups per day), it's fine as part of my 20%.

    *I know not everyone approves of artificial sweetener, but it's been a huge help with curbing my sugar addiction and I don't use a lot of it, mainly just in hot drinks and the fat bombs I make for myself.
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    • #92
      I've been using heavy cream and honey in my coffee every morning since going primal (after I used up all of my crappy coffee-mate). Delicious!
      The above should be viewed as complete and utter nonsense.

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      • #93
        I don't drink coffee.

        OP is a dick.

        This is the first time I've found myself in this part of the forum; I thought it was for discussing MDA blog posts, not random weird shit.

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        • #94
          I'm slowly coming of coffee and all beverages containing caffeine in general.
          My sleep pattern has improved, but I have found if I wake and get up and get going with purpose rather than sitting at the PC or similar my need to drink coffee is minimal. Just a one cup a day guy now :-)
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          • #95
            I've gone from one cup of coffee with cream to one cup of black tea without. I prefer it, but occasionally miss the kick.

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            • #96
              I have a few cups per week. But coffee increases cortisol, which can cause wrinkly skin.

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              • #97
                I recently quit coffee and eventually all forms of caffeine, and I have noticed an increase in the quality of my sleep. It's very subtle, and something I would've never noticed unless I had actually tried fully eliminating it for awhile - and I suspect it is still going to take a couple of months or longer to fully experience any other benefits from going caffeine free, since it was a drug I used everyday for a very long time. Interestingly, the difference between drinking multiple cups per day and reducing to just having one cup was NOTHING in comparison to the difference between having just one cup, or even decaf, to none at all.

                I have to say I was kind of surprised at the hostility towards TFC in this post. I didn't think he was being judgmental or preachy - just suggesting that we all take an honest look at something that's so unquestioningly consumed by many. The kneejerk negative reactions frankly reminded me of people who would freak out at being told wheat is unhealthy so they shouldn't eat it every day. We could find a ton of "inconclusive" evidence around that as well, but we've all been exposed to some of the research suggesting it's not so good for us, thought about whether it's worth eating, and perhaps experimented with eliminating it to find we felt better without it (which is exactly what I did with caffeine). I kind of thought part of the deal with primal/paleo is really taking an honest look at whether what we consume makes us more healthy or less healthy - and if it doesn't make us more healthy, but we take an honest look and decide it's still worth it for other reasons, then cool!

                Caffeine also is absolutely an addictive drug. That some can drink it regularly and drop it with no ill effect proves nothing. I have friends who can recreationally use cocaine sporadically and never come close to becoming addicted. A lot of people I know can easily eat sugar in moderation - I cannot. Most addictive drugs are not instantly addictive to everyone who consumes them (the only one that comes to mind that normally IS is heroin). It requires a combination of physiological predisposition and usually long-term repeated use to become addicted to anything. The fact that that doesn't happen to everyone who consumes whatever the drug in question is bears no weight on the "addictiveness" of the substance. If you're not easily addicted, that's awesome! Congrats, you are very lucky, but your experience doesn't mean it isn't very helpful for others to consider their use of certain substances a little more closely - including caffeine.

                I got the feeling that TFC doesn't care so much if you're drinking caffeine because you just like it, enjoy the ritual, decided the benefits of it for you outweigh any potential drawbacks - I think he just wanted to get people thinking about it a bit more!
                Last edited by gettingclean2014; 05-31-2014, 04:45 AM.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by gettingclean2014 View Post
                  I recently quit coffee and eventually all forms of caffeine, and I have noticed an increase in the quality of my sleep. It's very subtle, and something I would've never noticed unless I had actually tried fully eliminating it for awhile - and I suspect it is still going to take a couple of months or longer to fully experience any other benefits from going caffeine free, since it was a drug I used everyday for a very long time. Interestingly, the difference between drinking multiple cups per day and reducing to just having one cup was NOTHING in comparison to the difference between having just one cup, or even decaf, to none at all.

                  I have to say I was kind of surprised at the hostility towards TFC in this post. I didn't think he was being judgmental or preachy - just suggesting that we all take an honest look at something that's so unquestioningly consumed by many. The kneejerk negative reactions frankly reminded me of people who would freak out at being told wheat is unhealthy so they shouldn't eat it every day. We could find a ton of "inconclusive" evidence around that as well, but we've all been exposed to some of the research suggesting it's not so good for us, thought about whether it's worth eating, and perhaps experimented with eliminating it to find we felt better without it (which is exactly what I did with caffeine). I kind of thought part of the deal with primal/paleo is really taking an honest look at whether what we consume makes us more healthy or less healthy - and if it doesn't make us more healthy, but we take an honest look and decide it's still worth it for other reasons, then cool!

                  Caffeine also is absolutely an addictive drug. That some can drink it regularly and drop it with no ill effect proves nothing. I have friends who can recreationally use cocaine sporadically and never come close to becoming addicted. A lot of people I know can easily eat sugar in moderation - I cannot. Most addictive drugs are not instantly addictive to everyone who consumes them (the only one that comes to mind that normally IS is heroin). It requires a combination of physiological predisposition and usually long-term repeated use to become addicted to anything. The fact that that doesn't happen to everyone who consumes whatever the drug in question is bears no weight on the "addictiveness" of the substance. If you're not easily addicted, that's awesome! Congrats, you are very lucky, but your experience doesn't mean it isn't very helpful for others to consider their use of certain substances a little more closely - including caffeine.

                  I got the feeling that TFC doesn't care so much if you're drinking caffeine because you just like it, enjoy the ritual, decided the benefits of it for you outweigh any potential drawbacks - I think he just wanted to get people thinking about it a bit more!
                  Love this! (And I agree)

                  Bump for this terrific gem a la "coffee is healthy":

                  We Give Up. Let's Just Say Coffee Cures Everything
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                  • #99
                    Coffee is not healthy its actually highly toxic espically on the glands. I'm surprised its even considered on this forum as healthy, ITS A STIMULANT

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                    • From the author of Grain brain:


                      Coffee? Pour a Cup!


                      http://www.drperlmutter.com/coffee-pour-cup/

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                      • Originally posted by lessirey View Post
                        From the author of Grain brain:


                        Coffee? Pour a Cup!


                        Coffee? Pour a Cup! | David Perlmutter M.D.
                        Thank you for this link! I really enjoyed the comments below it as well as the doctor's response:

                        I have an adrenal problem and have had to eliminate my two favorite drugs: caffeine and alcohol.

                        I always relished my nice STRONG cup of coffee in the morning. (I used to call it Serious Coffee.) But I'm happy to report that I feel better not drinking coffee. I never would have imagined this to be possible since, in addition to loving the flavor and "mouth feel" of coffee, I enjoyed the buzz it gave me.

                        If anyone must eliminate caffeine, you might enjoy a product called Teechino, which is a grain-based "coffee". It has the "mouth feel" that I really like and I've come to truly enjoy the various flavors in which the product comes. To find out more, visit the website: Cart Upsell Items | Teeccino Herbal Coffee / Coffee Alternative...
                        David, As a holistic health coach who has personally survived and recovered from severe adrenal fatigue and all it associated problems, your one-sided discussion here, promoting indiscriminate consumption of coffee makes me wonder if you are leveraging your status as a respected author to get paid by special interests who profit in the billions via international coffee sales.
                        Caffeine is a clinically proven neuro-endocrine disruptor, and while it can and perhaps should be enjoyed in moderation, daily use is also clinically proven to advance adrenal insufficiency--which we both know leads to digestive and detox system impairment....so in the end it does not matter if it helps the gut! Please tell both sides of the story if you are going to tout its benefits. The world deserves more from a man in your position.
                        (the doctor's response to the above)

                        There are certainly two sides to the issue Jason, and there are many people for whom coffee is not a viable dietary option. However, for those without an allergy or similar such reaction, it can be enjoyed in moderation.
                        (poster's response to the doctor)

                        Thank you for your response David. Again, I must agree to disagree. In my coaching practice I observed a very wide demographic of people who have consumed coffee daily (in moderation) for many years with no known allergy or reaction issues with coffee, yet nearly 100% if the clients who come to me for advice have developed symptomology related to their measurable adrenal insufficiency?? Nearly all of these fatigue clients have circadian rhythm problems while 7 out of 10 have a digestive pathogen via stool testing. Detox impairment is obvious in most which can be correlated to an acidic dysbiosis caused by consuming acidic food, drink and stress daily...The bright side of the story is that when adrenal support, diet/lifestyle support (including 100% g-free) and caffeine is eliminated I witness 9 out of 10 of my clients improve dramatically. Western medicine has yet to embrace this approach. I hope you can consider that the more "we" are honest about the source of internal stress, the sooner we put an end to the chronic stress crisis we are witnessing world wide.
                        It's worrisome that a business doctor doesn't even QUESTION the assumption "is coffee good for you?" but instead universally, without conflicting evidence or thought, rubber stamps it as benign; more worrisome is that he is apparently gluten-averse -- you'd think he'd be more practiced in critical presentation of health issues.

                        The comments tell stories about users whose experiences aren't as one-sided. The world is waking up to the idea that caffeine and coffee is't completely benign. Trouble is so many require coffee to wake up in the first place.

                        coffee is not bad. some things about it are good (although I'd say if there wasn't TONS of caffeine in it in the first place no one would be drinking it) but the inherent additive nature of it leads people to overlook the negative aspects of it that MAY actually be hurting them. All I advocate is more critical thought into downing the coffee that HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE across the world drink every day.

                        I actually can't think of any other food or drink other than water that I consume EVERY day.

                        It's fucked up that for so many coffee is something that they consume EVERY day.

                        Why is that?

                        Well I'm sure it must be because it's warm and cures cancer right?
                        Last edited by TheFastCat; 04-07-2015, 11:21 AM.
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                        • This is a great study on this subject that I found extremely helpful and kind of shocking

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