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    I'm thoroughly convinced that eating primal is great for me. I look good - I feel good.

    But there's this little part of me that gets super irritated/jealous of the two girls in my office who load up on Starbucks, Diet Coke, Gummy Bears and tofu burgers and yet manage to stay super slim. Is there a PB explanation for these types?


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    Are they young? It's just insulin doing it's thing keeping the sugar down.


    It's also possible that that's all they eat, as well. I've known women like that - it'd appear that they ate whatever they want, until looking closer, and that was *all* they were eating.

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      I performed CPR on someone who stayed super slim on things like that as well. The outside isn't always indicative of the inside.

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        I'm going to assume that the Starbucks and gummi bear eaters are pretty young since you refer to them as girls. While it doesn't make it any less irritating to watch at the time, in five or ten years their bodies will inevitably begin to reflect their poor diet choices. Your good nutrition and lifestyle choices, however, will also show through. (I'm not saying that they don't already, just reiterating that the effects are even more evident as you get older and don't show as many signs of aging.) All the make-up and anti-aging wonder creams in the world can't fix the effects of years of subsisting on Diet Coke and tofu.


        But, yes, I agree it is incredibly frustrating sometimes to watch someone pollute their body and still look fabulous. I just try to keep in mind that it is temporary.

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          I think it's a two way hate cycle. Many people wonder how can I be in reasonable shape while eating so much meat and fat, and without working out that much. I know this also results in them hating me.


          jdl409 you should walk around the office with nuts and bacon snacks.

          “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” -Oscar Wilde
          "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw
          "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." -Martin Mull

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            The people I love to hate are those who say they eat paleo, but still eat legumes/honey/stevia/agave/butter/ghee/cheese/tomato/chili/tubers/olive oil/salt/soy sauce/peas/sweet potato/mayonnaise/paprika/cayenne pepper/flaxseed/protein powder/tomato pasta sauce/capsicum/maple syrup/arrowroot/millet flour/goats cheese/raw milk/kefir/vinegar/probiotics/multivitamins or anything else they try to say is paleo, but Grok never ate. They are also the ones who complain the most about cravings/no weight loss/boring food/or whatever else.


            I love the fact that they are trying, but am really annoyed that they will try to justify any old thing as paleo just because they want to eat it. If you want to do it, suck it up and do it properly.


            Now before anyone takes that all personally - I did say paleo and not primal, as I am aware that Mark allows most of this stuff in moderation.


            As a paleo eater - I won't eat any of it.

            The "Seven Deadly Sins"

            • Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . .• Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
            • Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . • Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . • Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
            • Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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              Honey? Salt? Why don't you think Paleolithic man ate either of these?


              Honey's obvious. Sure, it woulda meant a few dozen bee stings, but it was definitely available. Bees aren't a recent development.


              Salt too. Animals use natural salt licks; macaques season their food with salt water. I imagine Grok would have caught on, too, especially coastal Grok. That white flaky stuff would be tempting - especially if he witnessed animals sampling it.


              Tubers and sweet potatoes, if found, would certainly be worth the trouble to cook and eat. 8000 year old wild varieties have been found in South America. It's not like they were staples, but that's the point of modern moderation.


              I hope you're not taking fish oil and Vitamins D or K2, because Grok definitely wasn't. Just make sure to eat plenty of organs and get lots of sunlight.


              I don't mean to come off as rude or anything; I just think you might be missing out on a few foods that were arguably on Grok's menu.

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                Here's one now *rolleyes*

                The "Seven Deadly Sins"

                • Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . .• Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
                • Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . • Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . • Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
                • Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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                  I think hating is very primal. But whenever I hate, I try to remember a quote from the great Oscar Wilde:

                  "Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo."

                  “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” -Oscar Wilde
                  "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw
                  "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." -Martin Mull

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                    Tarlach, who do you hate more: people who do absolutely nothing to improve their health and well-being, or people who make an effort yet fall short of some supreme paleo ideal?


                    The best piece of advice that I have taken away from Mark's blog is to not let perfect be the enemy of good.


                    Is it better to not even attempt to properly nourish one's body unless one sucks it up and does it "properly"?


                    Maybe for some people going paleo or primal is just some great feat for which one gains the right to wield the paleo or primal label. Personally, I couldn't care less about labels; I am more concerned with finding my own personal balance.


                    I'll take my tomatoes covered in olive oil and go sit in the corner.

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                      I hate more - the people that won't try.


                      But why not aim for perfect?


                      That's like giving up cigarettes 80% of the time??? Just smoking on the weekend won't give you the benefit of quitting properly.


                      If you knew something is bad for you, then why not give it up?

                      'I'll just have a little bit and it won't hurt me as much' is a silly idea.


                      Mark's philosophy works fine for those that can't commit to 100% paleo. They won't ever experience the same benefits, but it's entirely up to the individual to decide what to put in their body.

                      The "Seven Deadly Sins"

                      • Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . .• Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
                      • Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . • Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . • Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
                      • Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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                        I understand envy at times, wishing I could eat anything I want and not have to worry about my weight or health. But I am thankful that I do have to worry, because while I am learning to nourish myself I am growing as a person and finding new ways to be in the world. I assume that everyone is doing the best that they can with the information they have been given, and when you know better hopefully you will do better. I am learning how all the sugar and crap I used to eat was a mere symptom of my underlying issues around attachment and abandonment, an attempt to fill up an empty well. I am thankful for the opportunity to dig myself out of that hole, and grow in the process. Whether a person is fat or thin, or in between,I try to have compassion for where they are. I don't know a single person who is not envolved in some personal struggle in some facet of their life.


                        I also try to remember that while I am obsessing over all my choices, there is someone in the world with no choices, who would give anything for the food that I turn my nose up at just so they can eat at all.


                        Sorry for sounding preachy, we all just sometimes need to remember how fortunate we all are.

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                          Tarlach-What's wrong with tomatoes, paprika and cayenne peppers besides the fact that "Grok" didn't eat them? Do they actually f-up your insulin levels? Is there a scientific basis for not eating them? If there is a good case for not eating these (the three on your list that I currently do not avoid)I will cease immediately but as of now I am hard pressed to think of a reason.

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                            Nightshades are not considered Paleolithic as they are a 'new age' food only being available to humans in relatively resent years (not during Paleolithic times). They are also known to cause or irritate many arthritic conditions, which is another indicator that humans have not properly evolved to eat them.


                            The Solanaceae (nightshade) family includes potatoes, tomatoes, eggplant and some scary members like Datura or Jimson weed, mandrake and deadly nightshade


                            Solanaceae species are often rich in alkaloids whose toxicity to humans and animals ranges from mildly irritating to fatal in small quantities.


                            We have also verified from personal experience that nightshades cause joint pains. Sorry, but I'm not testing long term to see if they cause arthritis too...


                            http://www.fitnessspotlight.com/2008/1/6/nightshades/


                            more here:

                            http://cavemanforum.com/index.php?topic=947.0

                            http://www.archure.net/salus/nightshade.html

                            The "Seven Deadly Sins"

                            • Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . .• Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
                            • Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . • Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . • Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
                            • Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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                              umm....

                              just because they can eat sugar and doesn't gain weight..doesn't mean it's good for them.

                              in fact, many people have the body to handle that much junk or carbs without showing problems on their figures.

                              but the hidden risk of harming their health is so high, that they don't make me feel jealoused at all!


                              they could be eating at "moderation" and just use the caloric deficit to keep their body looking fit, or heck, some people could just eat endless junks without getting big at all.

                              but what about the internal inflammation they might have? and what about the accumuated stress they're putting on their pancreas and the accumulated harm they're creating to their insullin response?

                              sure, a few lucky people could get away with that too, but who's going to be able to find out if they'll live even healthier or longer if they don't eat those crap?


                              looking thin doesn't mean they're healthy... and as good as they look now, who knows what they'll be looking like in the future? all those thin friends of mine who drink so much beer all the time doesn't mean they'll stay thin, just look at their parents.

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