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  • "It's the Calories, not the Carbs" and "The Context of Calories"

    Good blog post topics to review:

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/calories/

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-context-of-calories/

  • #2
    Also, this thread didn't get enough play back when it was posted but I think Tim's advice (first post) is very valid and some people can still benefit from it. It's been a while but I think he'd still stand by it:

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...-I-just-did%29

    No need to bump it by replying, but give it a read and discuss here if needed.
    I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
      Also, this thread didn't get enough play back when it was posted but I think Tim's advice (first post) is very valid and some people can still benefit from it. It's been a while but I think he'd still stand by it:

      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...-I-just-did%29

      No need to bump it by replying, but give it a read and discuss here if needed.
      I love this post. I have just made a commitment to stop measuring and counting cals and macro ratios and this provides me with the validation I needed. Thanks for linking to it
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      • #4
        If people think it's the calories and not the carbs, then maybe they should try an experiment. On week 1 eat 2000 calories worth of bread. On Week 2, eat 2000 worth of fat. Measure weight gain/loss for both periods.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by StoneAgeQueen View Post
          If people think it's the calories and not the carbs, then maybe they should try an experiment. On week 1 eat 2000 calories worth of bread. On Week 2, eat 2000 worth of fat. Measure weight gain/loss for both periods.
          I haven't done that exact experiment, but I have compared low carb-high fat-moderate protein dieting with high carb-low fat-moderate protein diet at 1300 calories. I did both for 6 weeks each. Exercise amounts were the same. I can tell you that weight loss was the exact same BUT I felt much better on the low carb high fat moderate protein because I rarely felt hungry.

          Also, I believe the "Twinkie Diet" proves that it's not just what you eat but also how much you eat - even for those with metabolic/hormonal issues

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          • #6
            I remember trying a really low fat diet years ago when I was much bigger than I am now, I ate no fat at all and about six slices of bread a day- I actually did not lose one single pound and I felt dreadful. As soon as i went on Atkins it all came off in a really short space of time.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by StoneAgeQueen View Post
              I remember trying a really low fat diet years ago when I was much bigger than I am now, I ate no fat at all and about six slices of bread a day- I actually did not lose one single pound and I felt dreadful. As soon as i went on Atkins it all came off in a really short space of time.
              Ugh, that sounds horrific. You're diabetic so your results might not be similar in someone without metabolic troubles. I know before I was diagnoised with PCOS, I could diet any which way and drop weight. After PCOS, no such luck.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by NourishedEm View Post
                I love this post. I have just made a commitment to stop measuring and counting cals and macro ratios and this provides me with the validation I needed. Thanks for linking to it
                Calorie counting and managing macros is so tedious. I was caught up in that way of fat loss for so long that I know the nutritional data on serving sizes of a whole catalogue of foods. It's sad.

                I've since given up calorie counting and macro managing. I structure my meals so that I start with veggies, add some protein, add some fat and sometimes fruit. If the scale goes up and I don't want it to, I move more or eat less.

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                • #9
                  Hold on a second.. was Mark recommending legumes in that first post?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by StoneAgeQueen View Post
                    If people think it's the calories and not the carbs, then maybe they should try an experiment. On week 1 eat 2000 calories worth of bread. On Week 2, eat 2000 worth of fat. Measure weight gain/loss for both periods.

                    not bread, but i have done the 'experiment' you suggest with primal... 2500 calories a day of very very low carb primal vs 2500 calories of starchy primal... i gain on the high fat primal and lost on the lower fat primal...so i have assured myself its not the carbs or the calories...its something though...??
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by StoneAgeQueen View Post
                      If people think it's the calories and not the carbs, then maybe they should try an experiment. On week 1 eat 2000 calories worth of bread. On Week 2, eat 2000 worth of fat. Measure weight gain/loss for both periods.
                      Ancel keys performed a starvation diet shortly after ww2 where young men spent some weeks eating 1800 cals a day of high carb crap. They looked like they had just come out of a concentration camp at the end.

                      John Yudkin repeated the study many years later, except he used a meat and vegetables based diet and the participants did not end up looking like scarecrows but lean and muscled.

                      If I can find the links to the studies I'll post them.
                      A steak a day keeps the doctor away

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                      • #12
                        A quick search returned a hit to Dr Eades talking about the two studies:

                        http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blog...ays-a-calorie/

                        And I was wrong, they were eating just under 1600 calories a day, not 1800.
                        A steak a day keeps the doctor away

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                        • #13
                          Very interesting!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by slowcooker View Post
                            Hold on a second.. was Mark recommending legumes in that first post?
                            Yeah, he was. I noticed that too. Possibly a less highly evolved form of Primal?

                            Also the first and second posts directly contradict each other about the need to count calories.


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                            • #15
                              Bump because this is exactly what I have found through 7 weeks of eating.

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