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  • #16
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    OTB, you are being way out of line with your accusations of 'stupidity'. Almost ignorant, actually.

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    • #17
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      "I'm not worried about autism from mercury, and there are only trace amounts in most of today's vaccines, but it doesn't change the fact that its a poison, along with all the other "crap" they put in them to preserve them."


      Shit, I hope you never allow your kids to eat fish. Studies now show that 100% of fish has mercury. Best forget about lotions, too. Oh yeah, hope your kid doesn't want to wear deodorant.


      This reminds of the thread about the dude didn't want to take antibiotics even though he was diagnosed with parasites; 'cause it wasn't "grok" enough. I thought this way of living was all about being as healthy as possible, not just to play who can be the best BC era caveman.

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      • #18
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        OTB, parents perpetuate their genes in the genetic pool through having kids

        “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” -Oscar Wilde
        "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw
        "The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." -Martin Mull

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        • #19
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          I can understand that this issue will polarise people. For what it's worth, I do think that people have forgotten that measles KILLS, polio KILLS or CRIPPLES, etc etc. I also know that herd immunity is key. I heard a couple of years ago that certain areas of London were borderline for measles because not enough children were vaccinated for various reasons. Guess what, measles made a comeback.


          However I do agree it is wise to read up EXACTLY what is going into your bloodstream! I do feel uneasy about the sheer volume of early vaccinations - perhaps there is a way to spread them out more?

          Having said that, a newborn baby has to cope with an entire planet full of bugs and germs so their immune system can't be as fragile as it seems.


          It also depends on environment - if you're out in the middle of nowhere, then good luck to you. If you're in a crowded urban centre, then I'd urge you to reconsider - more people for your kids to catch things from, but also a higher chance of them passing something else on to vulnerable groups. Are you going to give every woman you meet a pregnancy test? I mean, your family might be carrying rubella.... Not trying to be confrontational, just thought provoking (I hope!).

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          • #20
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            Not sure what seat belts have to do with vaccines. I'm guessing that you are making the connection between the "safety" of children. I do buckle my child seat in, and I use the seat belt myself...but it sounds like again your just spewing CW to me.


            Seat belts is a great example of CW and gov't propaganda. If seat belts were SO important for the safety of our society, then why aren't there any seat belts on city buses, or even school buses...OH MY GOSH, think of the children's safety!!!!!


            And if it was really about safety, why is it illegal for me to wear a helmet, while driving a car? Why are there not requirements that all passengers have shoulder and lap belts?


            So again I wonder, what do seat belts have to do with vaccines. I can wear a seat belt without having any foreign material enter my body. I can wear a seat belt and not have to worry whether I allergic to yeast. I can wear a seat belt and not hope that the seat belt was manufactured in dirty lab and contaminated. Overall, I'd say a seat belt is pretty darn safe.


            This is far more then a single step removed from religious dogma preventing medical aid. Just because someone chooses not to have vaccines, doesn't mean they reject medicine as a whole. That would be similar to saying "the news is to graphic and I don't agree with it, therefore I will never watch TV again". Don't throw the baby out with the bath water as the saying goes.


            I have yet to see any evidence to support your position in your posts, rather, just ranting and raving about how stupid and naive I am, and restating CW.


            -bcreager

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            • #21
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              PrimalJewishA:


              Just because there are poisons in our everyday world, doesn't mean I should go ahead and eat it because it ok! Additionally, I don't reject medicine as a whole, but I will not be injecting my infant child with various poisons because "there's a chance it will stop her from catching this disease/illness!".


              For me, this has nothing to do with being Grok! I was this way long before I started reading and learning about the Paleo lifestyle. If she gets some infection or other ailment that can be cured with antibiotics or other drugs, of course she will be treated. But treatment and prevention are two very different things.


              -bcreager

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              • #22
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                interesting responses. I suppose i am a "bad" parent because i am questioning the medical establishment's reliance on the pharmaceutical industry to solve all of our medical problems. Funny, because i thought that questioning Big Pharma was one of the key ingredients behind Going Primal.


                I worry about my kids. I do not want anything bad to happen to them. I understand the risk involved in not vaccinating them. I also understand the risks involved in giving them vaccinations. I do not feel like i am a religious zealot who abhors medical care. I feel like my wife and i are making an informed decision based on current evidence.


                If my child broke a limb... i would not pray for them to get better. I would take them to the emergency room for a cast. Purposely exposing a child's underdeveloped immune system to unknown substances, toxic substances, and live viruses does not sound like a preventive measure. It sounds barbaric.


                I understand the concept of Herd Immunity. I suppose i can be an ass and say i appreciate the "sacrifice" your children are making to keep mine healthy. But, i do not feel this is the case. Every article i read about the fears people feel in non-vaccinated children interacting with vaccinated children focuses on the risk-transmission factor. This says that people are not as comfortable with the reliability of vaccinations in the first place. If they were... they would not worry about my child transmitting any diseases to their vaccinated child.


                I say we should all wait until the age of majority to decide who should and should not be vaccinated. Yes, this puts infants and children at risk. Our infant mortality rate is already the worst among first world countries, yet we spend almost 30x more for maternity care.

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                • #23
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                  When I was born 24 years ago, I was so weak and sick all the time that the doctors didn't think I was going to make it pass couple of weeks. They shot me with any imaginable vaccine and drug trying to bring me back to life which caused me to have violent allergic reaction to any routine vaccines required for children at that time.

                  I didn't get any vaccines since I was 1 yr old and I had a very hard time in kindergarten and public school because of that. That said, I never gotten any of the diseases the vaccines were suppose to protect from. Matter of fact, I never gotten as much as a cold when I was a kid. My mom was pretty serious about throwing me outside barefoot in a t-shirt in 2 feet of snow so I could develop my immune system and build it without the need for vaccines.


                  My older sister has 2 children who are ages 12 and 5. Neither one of them was ever vaccinated and both are very healthy.


                  By the way...an argument about "wearing seatbelts" vs. getting vaccines is irrelevant here, unless you argue that people get in car accidents because they are BAD drivers. If so, then yes, buckling up will greatly reduce the risk of getting injured during a car accident. However, if a child has a strong immune system naturally, he might very well be resistant to many diseases that people with weakened immune system are prone to getting.

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                  • #24
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                    The site recommendation: http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients1.html


                    is outlandish. This site also claims that AIDS is a harmless virus, rape is justified because it gives men power that the patriarchal society needs, and a personal favorite, the holocaust was a hoax. So, sorry if I can't trust that site. Oh yeah, the site also sells homemade bombs and hand grenades. At the cost of slicing holes in your cheese, I am probably now on a government watch list.

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                    • #25
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                      Wow, I didn't look at the main site before. That's a whole lotta crazy.

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                      • #26
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                        Personally,


                        I'm OK with taking a risk by getting vaccinated against seriously potentially life threatening, and/or crippling diseases.


                        I'm not really into all the flu vaccinations, or HPV, etc.


                        But when I traveled to Asia, and Europe, I did get my vaccines. And a lot of em.


                        If/when I have kids, I'll be picky about the vaccines they do get, but I'm planning on vaccinating them.


                        That being said, I am a bit weary of vaccines, and I don't understand why they have to be contaminated with a bunch of extra junk. (And I do understand why people may choose not to vaccinate, and I respect their viewpoints.)


                        Here's a blog post by a guy I respect a lot.


                        He has a quick personal account of his experience with a tetanus shot. (With an extra "0.28 mg of aluminum, up to 0.3 micrograms of mercury, and up to 100 micrograms of "residual formaldehyde")


                        http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/05/vaccines.html


                        Gotta weigh the risks...

                        -Sean

                        www.SeanBissell.com

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                        • #27
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                          Actually, there are quite a few similar theories on holocaust being a hoax. Not so much the way this site puts it, but there are interesting books out there providing evidence that Hitler wasn't even aware of it. Look it up

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                          • #28
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                            I don't have kids but I've often wondered about vaccination and how they may affect some children adversely.


                            Here's an article from WAPF that might give you a better picture:

                            http://www.westonaprice.org/children/vaccinations.html

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                            • #29
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                              Perhaps a government sponsored website would be better...though some could argue gov't isn't much better then Whale:


                              http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf


                              Similar data


                              -bcreager

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                              • #30
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                                chocolatechip6: There is some STUNNING information out there about the holocast. Like you said, not so much the way this site puts it, but there are sites out there that go into great detail about it. Fascinating stuff to say the least, and makes you say hmmmmmmmmmm


                                -bcreager

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