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		<title>By: Supplements &#8211; What I Take and Why &#171; Health Fitness Support</title>
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		<dc:creator>Supplements &#8211; What I Take and Why &#171; Health Fitness Support</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but there&#8217;s no doubt he knows his stuff, and it&#8217;s his views on probiotics in this post which have driven my policy. The key points I have learned [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-to-primal-supplementation/#comment-471412</link>
		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a pharmacist and specialist in supplementation and alternative medications I can tell you that when properly implemented - supplementation can be very beneficial.

I&#039;ve seen this not only in my own life but also others.  The trick is though, to weave through the minefield of information and claims out there.

Mark is right.  Antioxidants are important.

One problem I see though, is that too many people (not on this blog) substitute supplementation in place of sound nutrition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a pharmacist and specialist in supplementation and alternative medications I can tell you that when properly implemented &#8211; supplementation can be very beneficial.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen this not only in my own life but also others.  The trick is though, to weave through the minefield of information and claims out there.</p>
<p>Mark is right.  Antioxidants are important.</p>
<p>One problem I see though, is that too many people (not on this blog) substitute supplementation in place of sound nutrition.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding vitamin supplementation, even specialists in human biology and biochemistry do not fully understand how the body works because there are so many nutrients, proteins, and enzymes involved that often have multiple uses and interact in extremely complicated ways (ever look at those biochemistry flow charts? ...and those are just measuring short-term effects).

Therefore, all attempts to determine optimal levels of nutrients in supplements are highly suspect -- the best we can do is note that certain gross deficiencies cause disease and guess the optimal levels using prior beliefs. The most compelling scientific guess for the optimal levels of nutrients to consume is to use the levels obtained by primal humans. This is a good guess because it&#039;s reasonable to assume that humans adapted to this diet/lifestyle. This is what is so compelling about the primal blueprint in general. Of course, the conclusion to draw from this is that if you have a primal lifestyle, supplementation is at least as likely to be harmful (to both health and wallet) as helpful.

I believe it&#039;s prudent to wait for overwhelming scientific evidence that particular supplements promote health before using them. There are two types of situations when supplementation would be called for.

First, if a placebo-controlled study involving only participants with a healthy diet and lifestyle were to show that altering our nutrient intakes from the primal blueprint lead to less disease, this would indicate that supplementation is prudent. Mark, are you aware of any such studies?

Second, if there is reason to believe a particular individual has a specific deficiency, then supplementation may be called for. For this reason, vitamin D may be a prudent supplement for many people to take since it is obtained primarily from the sun (though getting it from the sun is probably preferable). Also, if a doctor diagnoses a deficiency of a particular nutrient, that would also obviously motivate supplementation. There may be a case to be made that seniors should supplement because their digestive systems may not be functioning close to optimally anymore, but this should still probably be done under the guidance of a doctor.

I personally think that a basic (100% RDA) multivitamin may be prudent, but only to prevent a fluke deficiency disease, not to try to optimize health. It&#039;s my understanding that the benefits of even a basic multivitamin are controversial, but at least it&#039;s probably harmless because the levels of the nutrients are not megadoses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding vitamin supplementation, even specialists in human biology and biochemistry do not fully understand how the body works because there are so many nutrients, proteins, and enzymes involved that often have multiple uses and interact in extremely complicated ways (ever look at those biochemistry flow charts? &#8230;and those are just measuring short-term effects).</p>
<p>Therefore, all attempts to determine optimal levels of nutrients in supplements are highly suspect &#8212; the best we can do is note that certain gross deficiencies cause disease and guess the optimal levels using prior beliefs. The most compelling scientific guess for the optimal levels of nutrients to consume is to use the levels obtained by primal humans. This is a good guess because it&#8217;s reasonable to assume that humans adapted to this diet/lifestyle. This is what is so compelling about the primal blueprint in general. Of course, the conclusion to draw from this is that if you have a primal lifestyle, supplementation is at least as likely to be harmful (to both health and wallet) as helpful.</p>
<p>I believe it&#8217;s prudent to wait for overwhelming scientific evidence that particular supplements promote health before using them. There are two types of situations when supplementation would be called for.</p>
<p>First, if a placebo-controlled study involving only participants with a healthy diet and lifestyle were to show that altering our nutrient intakes from the primal blueprint lead to less disease, this would indicate that supplementation is prudent. Mark, are you aware of any such studies?</p>
<p>Second, if there is reason to believe a particular individual has a specific deficiency, then supplementation may be called for. For this reason, vitamin D may be a prudent supplement for many people to take since it is obtained primarily from the sun (though getting it from the sun is probably preferable). Also, if a doctor diagnoses a deficiency of a particular nutrient, that would also obviously motivate supplementation. There may be a case to be made that seniors should supplement because their digestive systems may not be functioning close to optimally anymore, but this should still probably be done under the guidance of a doctor.</p>
<p>I personally think that a basic (100% RDA) multivitamin may be prudent, but only to prevent a fluke deficiency disease, not to try to optimize health. It&#8217;s my understanding that the benefits of even a basic multivitamin are controversial, but at least it&#8217;s probably harmless because the levels of the nutrients are not megadoses.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-to-primal-supplementation/#comment-465844</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you mix your whey protein with coconut milk and a little water it is really good. I got the idea from Robb Wolf. I mix about 1/3 can of coconut milk with a few ounces of water and a scoop or two of peanut butter and chocolate flavored protein powder that is sweetened with splenda. It is thick and very tasty, low carb too. 

P.S. I use the full fat stuff from Thailand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you mix your whey protein with coconut milk and a little water it is really good. I got the idea from Robb Wolf. I mix about 1/3 can of coconut milk with a few ounces of water and a scoop or two of peanut butter and chocolate flavored protein powder that is sweetened with splenda. It is thick and very tasty, low carb too. </p>
<p>P.S. I use the full fat stuff from Thailand.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Sisson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Sisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 17:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nirmal, for every study that debunks multi-vitamin use, I can show you one that supports it. Ultimately, most of these studies are set up to fail, since vitamin intake is but one variable in a complex human life. From everything I research, I am more and more convinced that appropriate supplementation is of greater benefit than not doing so.

As for gaining muscle, we have written a few pieces here. This would be the place to start. http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gain-weight-build-muscle/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nirmal, for every study that debunks multi-vitamin use, I can show you one that supports it. Ultimately, most of these studies are set up to fail, since vitamin intake is but one variable in a complex human life. From everything I research, I am more and more convinced that appropriate supplementation is of greater benefit than not doing so.</p>
<p>As for gaining muscle, we have written a few pieces here. This would be the place to start. <a href="http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gain-weight-build-muscle/" rel="nofollow">http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gain-weight-build-muscle/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nirmal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nirmal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 23:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark,
I&#039;m a skinny guy trying to add on weight using your weight gain method. It&#039;s true that I don&#039;t eat a lot. I&#039;m an actor waiting tables on NYC, so there you go. I joined crossfit and it is kicking my ass. Something thing I came across the times. I&#039;m not trying to debunk you but there is just so much conflicting reports that it just leaves me confused. Here is a link to the article http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html?emc=eta1

Do you have any more advice to gain weight? muscle not lard.
Thanks and really appreciate your commitment to positive gene expression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark,<br />
I&#8217;m a skinny guy trying to add on weight using your weight gain method. It&#8217;s true that I don&#8217;t eat a lot. I&#8217;m an actor waiting tables on NYC, so there you go. I joined crossfit and it is kicking my ass. Something thing I came across the times. I&#8217;m not trying to debunk you but there is just so much conflicting reports that it just leaves me confused. Here is a link to the article <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html?emc=eta1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/health/17well.html?emc=eta1</a></p>
<p>Do you have any more advice to gain weight? muscle not lard.<br />
Thanks and really appreciate your commitment to positive gene expression.</p>
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		<title>By: Friday, October 8th &#171; CrossFit Midland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Friday, October 8th &#171; CrossFit Midland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark Sisson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Sisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethan, I would only supplement with Fish Oils containing just Omega 3 - for the reasons you mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethan, I would only supplement with Fish Oils containing just Omega 3 &#8211; for the reasons you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Ethan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ethan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New to the site and have a question about fish oil supplements: I&#039;ve seen those that have Omega 3 as well as those that have Omega 3 AND Omega 6. From what I&#039;ve briefly read online, our modern diets as a society have plenty of Omega 6 already. Should I then be avoiding the combo 3 and 6 fish oils and get one with just Omega 3?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New to the site and have a question about fish oil supplements: I&#8217;ve seen those that have Omega 3 as well as those that have Omega 3 AND Omega 6. From what I&#8217;ve briefly read online, our modern diets as a society have plenty of Omega 6 already. Should I then be avoiding the combo 3 and 6 fish oils and get one with just Omega 3?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Paolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must admit that the arguments here are plausible.  However, I have a number of concerns when it comes to supplementation:

1) Supplements are human engineered and are therefore susceptible to flaws when it comes to formulating the concentration of nutrients in these pills.  Consumers could be susceptible to toxicities of these MICROnutrients.

2) Pure concentrated nutrients do interfere with the absorption of other vitamins and minerals -such as those you naturally acquire from food!. Again, vitamins and minerals are supposed to be consumed in trace amounts!

Most importantly...

3) Natural nutrient sources provide complementary cofactors that allow for the optimal absorption of consumed foods (so that you just don&#039;t pee out most of the nutrients you&#039;ve ingested).  Most of these cofactors (like those that help lycopene absorption from tomatoes) are undiscovered and are therefore NOT in supplements.

4) Supplements are called &quot;supplements&quot; for a reason.  You take them if you do not have a well-balanced diet or if you have special needs (i.e. pregnant).  Otherwise, you&#039;ll just be making waste of your hard-earned living (literally!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must admit that the arguments here are plausible.  However, I have a number of concerns when it comes to supplementation:</p>
<p>1) Supplements are human engineered and are therefore susceptible to flaws when it comes to formulating the concentration of nutrients in these pills.  Consumers could be susceptible to toxicities of these MICROnutrients.</p>
<p>2) Pure concentrated nutrients do interfere with the absorption of other vitamins and minerals -such as those you naturally acquire from food!. Again, vitamins and minerals are supposed to be consumed in trace amounts!</p>
<p>Most importantly&#8230;</p>
<p>3) Natural nutrient sources provide complementary cofactors that allow for the optimal absorption of consumed foods (so that you just don&#8217;t pee out most of the nutrients you&#8217;ve ingested).  Most of these cofactors (like those that help lycopene absorption from tomatoes) are undiscovered and are therefore NOT in supplements.</p>
<p>4) Supplements are called &#8220;supplements&#8221; for a reason.  You take them if you do not have a well-balanced diet or if you have special needs (i.e. pregnant).  Otherwise, you&#8217;ll just be making waste of your hard-earned living (literally!)</p>
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