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		<title>By: Why go Paleo? Ask Mark Session. &#171; Dragon Fitness</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/#comment-472992</link>
		<dc:creator>Why go Paleo? Ask Mark Session. &#171; Dragon Fitness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 00:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] know how much I love doing it, though. But no matter how often I sit down to dine on the stuff (and I’ve done it with great gusto in the past), I always leave the table feeling like I left something behind. Like maybe I wasn’t harsh enough [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] know how much I love doing it, though. But no matter how often I sit down to dine on the stuff (and I’ve done it with great gusto in the past), I always leave the table feeling like I left something behind. Like maybe I wasn’t harsh enough [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What is Fitness? &#124; Mark's Daily Apple</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/#comment-469594</link>
		<dc:creator>What is Fitness? &#124; Mark's Daily Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] soon as Homo sapiens had abundant sources of calories that were easy to cultivate and store (read grains) they became shorter, and exhibited bad teeth, decreased bone density and diseases that weren’t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] soon as Homo sapiens had abundant sources of calories that were easy to cultivate and store (read grains) they became shorter, and exhibited bad teeth, decreased bone density and diseases that weren’t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/#comment-462763</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fixed Gear,first of all, congratulations on your weight loss... well done!
But...I&#039;m not understanding why all the shouting in your post...?? I wasn&#039;t trying to be in your face.
Let me just try to rephrase:  I too am starting to limit grains and am starting to eat some meat. I do believe it will help me lose weight. I just think food is more than simply the sum of it&#039;s nutritional parts, and that life is a gift... and too short to not enjoy a piece of good bread on occasion. I didn&#039;t believe Ornish when he insisted on &quot;no nuts&quot; (fat content) and I don&#039;t believe eliminating all grains is necessary...and cannot accept that agriculture was a purposeless fluke.
It&#039;s all just my humble opinion/perception/philosophy...I&#039;m not trying to tell you how to eat.
BTW, how much more do you want to lose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fixed Gear,first of all, congratulations on your weight loss&#8230; well done!<br />
But&#8230;I&#8217;m not understanding why all the shouting in your post&#8230;?? I wasn&#8217;t trying to be in your face.<br />
Let me just try to rephrase:  I too am starting to limit grains and am starting to eat some meat. I do believe it will help me lose weight. I just think food is more than simply the sum of it&#8217;s nutritional parts, and that life is a gift&#8230; and too short to not enjoy a piece of good bread on occasion. I didn&#8217;t believe Ornish when he insisted on &#8220;no nuts&#8221; (fat content) and I don&#8217;t believe eliminating all grains is necessary&#8230;and cannot accept that agriculture was a purposeless fluke.<br />
It&#8217;s all just my humble opinion/perception/philosophy&#8230;I&#8217;m not trying to tell you how to eat.<br />
BTW, how much more do you want to lose?</p>
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		<title>By: Fixed Gear</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/#comment-462694</link>
		<dc:creator>Fixed Gear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah well if we&#039;re using that big brain, then we should realize that if you HAVE TO cook something just to make it edible, it&#039;s probably not good for you. By using that brain and realizing grains are NOT meant for human consumption I AM becoming more human, less animal.  I&#039;d argue people &quot;going primal&quot; are using a superior intellect than the masses following conventional wisdom! 

By cooking beans, or rice or oats, you can stomach them without getting sick.  But that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s optimal fuel.  I would argue they ARE making you sick, even cooked, just not as sick as they do raw.  Raw beans off the vine = you&#039;ll throw up.  Cooked beans = lots of flatulance, and insulin spike/crash.  That&#039;s not the same as throwing up, but it&#039;s certainly not positive.  I&#039;d call that low-grade sickness.  

I&#039;m not advocating that we don&#039;t cook because Grok didn&#039;t cook, anymore than I&#039;d say men shouldn&#039;t shave or cut their hair because Grok didn&#039;t.  I LIKE our modern world.  I&#039;m simply saying if you HAVE TO cook a food just to make it edible.... then that&#039;s a very compelling argument that it&#039;s UNNATURAL for you to eat that food.  The same way I don&#039;t eat tree leaves or grass just because they occur in nature.

Your argument that I &quot;could have lost the weight anyway&quot; by including the VERY THINGS that were impeding my weight loss.... just doesn&#039;t make logical sense.  I figured it out, it was the grains!  That was the problem.  I took them out and the weight came off.  Going primal WITH grains, in 2 solid months I could only mange to drop 3 pounds.  Once I ditched the grains, it was 1-2 pounds a week.  I&#039;m now down 38 pounds!  That&#039;s 18 more since my last post here.  And I&#039;m STRONGER in all my lifts in the gym.  

Go ahead and eat grains if you want to; I don&#039;t need any more convincing.  Honestly the weight loss, is secondary.  I FEEL so much better without grains.  You never really get off the insulin spike/crash rollercoaster if you eat lots of brown rice or oatmeal..  Replace those things with veggies and you&#039;ll be much happier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah well if we&#8217;re using that big brain, then we should realize that if you HAVE TO cook something just to make it edible, it&#8217;s probably not good for you. By using that brain and realizing grains are NOT meant for human consumption I AM becoming more human, less animal.  I&#8217;d argue people &#8220;going primal&#8221; are using a superior intellect than the masses following conventional wisdom! </p>
<p>By cooking beans, or rice or oats, you can stomach them without getting sick.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s optimal fuel.  I would argue they ARE making you sick, even cooked, just not as sick as they do raw.  Raw beans off the vine = you&#8217;ll throw up.  Cooked beans = lots of flatulance, and insulin spike/crash.  That&#8217;s not the same as throwing up, but it&#8217;s certainly not positive.  I&#8217;d call that low-grade sickness.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not advocating that we don&#8217;t cook because Grok didn&#8217;t cook, anymore than I&#8217;d say men shouldn&#8217;t shave or cut their hair because Grok didn&#8217;t.  I LIKE our modern world.  I&#8217;m simply saying if you HAVE TO cook a food just to make it edible&#8230;. then that&#8217;s a very compelling argument that it&#8217;s UNNATURAL for you to eat that food.  The same way I don&#8217;t eat tree leaves or grass just because they occur in nature.</p>
<p>Your argument that I &#8220;could have lost the weight anyway&#8221; by including the VERY THINGS that were impeding my weight loss&#8230;. just doesn&#8217;t make logical sense.  I figured it out, it was the grains!  That was the problem.  I took them out and the weight came off.  Going primal WITH grains, in 2 solid months I could only mange to drop 3 pounds.  Once I ditched the grains, it was 1-2 pounds a week.  I&#8217;m now down 38 pounds!  That&#8217;s 18 more since my last post here.  And I&#8217;m STRONGER in all my lifts in the gym.  </p>
<p>Go ahead and eat grains if you want to; I don&#8217;t need any more convincing.  Honestly the weight loss, is secondary.  I FEEL so much better without grains.  You never really get off the insulin spike/crash rollercoaster if you eat lots of brown rice or oatmeal..  Replace those things with veggies and you&#8217;ll be much happier.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/#comment-462678</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fixed Gear, as a Christian, I find you were more ontrack with your original post... God did give us this Earth to use (wisely, hopefully). He gave us our darn big brains for reason...to become more human and less animal.  Just because wild animals lack the ability to cook, doesn&#039;t mean we are wrong for making the inedible edible.  I am way in agreement with Barlow in that we don&#039;t eat just for fuel...we share meals for pleasure as well.  
I can&#039;t disagree with your weight loss...that&#039;s why I&#039;m attempting to eat this way...but I think you could have done the same just by eating far fewer carbs.(rather than elimination)  I think if we all just ditch the simple carbs (Doritos really just don&#039;t add to anyone&#039;s life) and savor the occasional treat (that artisan bread he was talking about)we&#039;ll be on the right path.
p.s.
Barlow spoke of Communion...for me,I always think of God feeding the Israelites in the desert...he gave them manna...not a side of beef.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fixed Gear, as a Christian, I find you were more ontrack with your original post&#8230; God did give us this Earth to use (wisely, hopefully). He gave us our darn big brains for reason&#8230;to become more human and less animal.  Just because wild animals lack the ability to cook, doesn&#8217;t mean we are wrong for making the inedible edible.  I am way in agreement with Barlow in that we don&#8217;t eat just for fuel&#8230;we share meals for pleasure as well.<br />
I can&#8217;t disagree with your weight loss&#8230;that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m attempting to eat this way&#8230;but I think you could have done the same just by eating far fewer carbs.(rather than elimination)  I think if we all just ditch the simple carbs (Doritos really just don&#8217;t add to anyone&#8217;s life) and savor the occasional treat (that artisan bread he was talking about)we&#8217;ll be on the right path.<br />
p.s.<br />
Barlow spoke of Communion&#8230;for me,I always think of God feeding the Israelites in the desert&#8230;he gave them manna&#8230;not a side of beef.</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s Wrong With The Zone Diet? &#124; Mark's Daily Apple</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/#comment-459532</link>
		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s Wrong With The Zone Diet? &#124; Mark's Daily Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the focus on veggies and the secondary role of fruits. It’s true that The Zone downplays the role of grains, and I like that as well. (Little surprise, yes.) But here we find ourselves back in the land of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the focus on veggies and the secondary role of fruits. It’s true that The Zone downplays the role of grains, and I like that as well. (Little surprise, yes.) But here we find ourselves back in the land of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Empower Fitness &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What is Clean eating?</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/#comment-459439</link>
		<dc:creator>Empower Fitness &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What is Clean eating?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] insulin spike and will just hinder your efforts to normalize insulin sensitivity ( see more on this here). This is definately situational and it depends on the person and what their stress levels and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] insulin spike and will just hinder your efforts to normalize insulin sensitivity ( see more on this here). This is definately situational and it depends on the person and what their stress levels and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: True Nourishment &#124; Five Menopause Myths Debunked</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/#comment-456284</link>
		<dc:creator>True Nourishment &#124; Five Menopause Myths Debunked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 00:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are wacky, then abstaining from eating grains (at least for a while) might really help. There are a few reasons, but let me mention [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Fixed Gear</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/#comment-434239</link>
		<dc:creator>Fixed Gear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick update, I&#039;m down TWENTY pounds since ditching grains.  And my afternoon nap or coffee (depending on my schedule) is virtually eliminated.  I was &quot;primal with heavy grains&quot; for about 2 months while I read, researched and decided whether or not to eliminate grains.  I could NOT drop weight that way.  And I went into a massive food-coma after every chicken-and-rice type meal I had.  Just like I would with pasta, or pizza or something I ate in my pre-primal life.  You really want to know whether you should drop grains or not??  Try it for 1 week.  You won&#039;t be able to argue with how great you FEEL.  Horray for even energy all day!! No more 3 o&#039;clock sleepy&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick update, I&#8217;m down TWENTY pounds since ditching grains.  And my afternoon nap or coffee (depending on my schedule) is virtually eliminated.  I was &#8220;primal with heavy grains&#8221; for about 2 months while I read, researched and decided whether or not to eliminate grains.  I could NOT drop weight that way.  And I went into a massive food-coma after every chicken-and-rice type meal I had.  Just like I would with pasta, or pizza or something I ate in my pre-primal life.  You really want to know whether you should drop grains or not??  Try it for 1 week.  You won&#8217;t be able to argue with how great you FEEL.  Horray for even energy all day!! No more 3 o&#8217;clock sleepy&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Sisson</title>
		<link>http://www.marksdailyapple.com/definitive-guide-grains/#comment-433923</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Sisson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bongoman, all carbs raise insulin to some degree, so I&#039;m not sure exactly what &quot;evidence&quot; are you referring to? Can you point me to your specific studies that compare diets high in complex carb with low carb diets, for instance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bongoman, all carbs raise insulin to some degree, so I&#8217;m not sure exactly what &#8220;evidence&#8221; are you referring to? Can you point me to your specific studies that compare diets high in complex carb with low carb diets, for instance?</p>
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