Cooking with Bones
Marrow is great and all, but what about the bones that aren’t blessed enough to bear the sacred gel in easily extractable amounts? We can’t forget about those. Chicken backs, beef knuckles, ham hocks, chicken feet, lamb necks, hooves and any other animal-derived matrices of calcium phosphate and collagen fibers are all worth saving, cooking, and perhaps even eating. Hell, I bet elk antlers would make a fine, mineral-rich soup. The best part is that bones, feet, hooves, heads, and connective tissues are all pretty inexpensive, sometimes even free, parts of the animal. They also represent an entirely different realm of nutritional content than basic muscle meat, being complex organs playing multiple roles in the body.
You see, bone is living tissue, rather than inert structure. It is rigid, true, but it’s actually an organ, in fact, placing it squarely in the nutritional all-star camp of liver, heart, brain, kidney, and sweetbreads. Bone is also slightly elastic, owing to the collagen, which combines with the calcium phosphate to lend “elastic rigidity.” (If it weren’t for the collagen, bones would simply be hard with no give, and thus brittle.) Bone is full of minerals, mostly calcium and phosphorus (seeing as how the “bone” part of bone is calcium phosphate, this is no surprise), along with sodium, magnesium, and other trace minerals. If the connective tissue – and most animal scraps and bones you use will have tendons, ligaments, and cartilage – is still attached, bones also include stuff like chondroitin and glucosamine, popular joint supplements that are the raw materials for bone and cartilage formation.
Let’s do a quick rundown of all the other good stuff found in bones and, therefore, well-made bone stock:
- Bone marrow – We went over this last week, but I’ll say it again: bone marrow is one of the first “superfoods” (for lack of a better term – I actually slightly cringe using it) our ancestors enjoyed. It’s fatty, with a bit of protein and loads of minerals. Even if you’re cooking spindly chicken bones, there’s going to be marrow, and that marrow will make it into your stock.
- Collagen and gelatin – Most commercial gelatin comes from animal collagen already, so why not cut out the middle man and get your gelatin directly from bone and cartilage? The more collagen your bones have, the more gelatinous, rich, and viscous your stock will be – important qualities, especially if you intend to reduce your stock into sauces. Gelatin may even reduce joint pain in athletes, as one (admittedly small) study appeared to show. Another showed benefits for ulcer patients.
- Glycine – Although our bodies already produce plenty of glycine, rendering it a non-essential amino acid, there’s some evidence that supplementation can help mitigate free-radical oxidative damage in rats with alcohol-induced hepatotoxicity. Bone broth is rich in glycine. It probably doesn’t mean much, but it can’t hurt. And hey – it may even improve sleep quality, as one Japanese study showed in human subjects. Drink a warm cup of broth before bed, perhaps?
- Proline – Proline is another non-essential amino acid found in bone stock, but supplementation has shown promise in patients suffering from vision loss due to gyrate atrophy. It’s also an important precursor for the formation of collagen, though it’s not clear whether eating proline has any affect on the body’s ability to make collagen.
- Hyaluronic acid – Hyaluronic acid, also known as hyaluronan, is one of cartilage’s three glycosaminoglycans. It helps broth gel, and it’s been used for years to treat race horses with osteoarthritis, usually as an intra-articular injection or IV fluid. Recent studies on oral administration have been promising, though, meaning oral administration of quality bone stock (as opposed to, um, what other method of administration?) might help us with our joint issues, too. According to Wikipedia, human studies are underway and showing promise, but I wasn’t able to dig up much beyond this small study. Still, it’s compelling, and I’ll continue to drink broth regardless.
- Chondroitin sulfate – Chondroitin sulfate is another glycosaminoglycan present in bone stock. It’s also a popular supplement for the treatment of osteoarthritis the efficacy of which has come under question. One recent review concludes that chondroitin sulfate “may interfere with progression of osteoarthritis”. I’d say it’s worth a shot.
- Calcium – I’ve downplayed the importance of large amounts of supplementary calcium in the past, but that doesn’t mean it’s not important. It’s the raw material for bone production and fortification, and bone stock might be one of the best sources of calcium around, especially for those who avoid dairy and don’t eat enough leafy greens.
- Phosphorus – There’s also a good amount of phosphorus in bone stock, though I doubt Primal eaters lack adequate dietary phosphorus (there’s plenty in meat). Still, it’s a nice buffer.
- Magnesium – Magnesium is pretty lacking in the modern diet. Fatty fish like mackerel offer good amounts, as do leafy greens, nuts, and seeds, but most people, Primal folks included, could stand to take in more magnesium. Dr. Michael Eades says if he had to recommend just one supplement, it’d be magnesium; Dr. Stephan Guyenet over at Whole Health Source recently posted a couple great pieces, one on magnesium and insulin sensitivity (short version: the former improves the latter) and another on magnesium and vitamin D metabolism (short version: the former affects the latter). Bone stock is just another way to obtain this valuable mineral.
- Sulfur, potassium, and sodium – Stock has these minerals in mostly trace amounts, but they’re all important for health. Sodium isn’t really an issue for most people, but potassium is undoubtedly important and often lacking. Both are crucial electrolytes (bone broth – possible new sports drink?). Sulfur is the “S” in MSM, or methylsulfonylmethane, the popular joint supplement that has shown some promising results in humans.
The best way to extract all that boney goodness from the bones is to cook with them, and that means making stock (or broth; from here on out, I’ll just say stock, but the two are pretty similar, with broth technically being derived from meat and bones, and stock from just bones). I mentioned a basic chicken stock recipe last year, but we can do better than that. Besides, different bones require different considerations. A few tips:
- Add a couple shots of apple cider vinegar to your stock. This aids in the extraction of minerals without really altering the flavor.
- Roast your bones beforehand. This adds color and flavor. For big bones like beef, 375 degrees Fahrenheit for 50 minutes usually works. For chicken, just use roasted carcasses.
- Don’t throw bones away. Even if you just ate a couple bone-in chicken thighs, save those measly little bones! Freeze them and keep adding to your collection until you’ve got a respectable amount.
- Don’t be afraid to simmer long and slow. Smaller animals require less cooking time to extract nutrients, so chicken can probably go for twenty hours and produce a quality stock, but beef or lamb bones can go for several days, provided you keep the heat low and watch the water level to prevent burning.
- Add feet, especially chicken feet, for added collagen – and more gelatin.
- If it’s a delicious joint supplement you’re after, look for actual animal joints to throw in. Knuckles, especially, have tons of cartilaginous material and snappy ligament that will break down in the water.
- When dealing with the bigger bones from ungulates, sometimes the heat and the water need a little assistance. To really get the good stuff, stick the bones in a sturdy bag and smash them with your sledgehammer (you do have a sledgehammer, right?). Then put the shards in the stockpot. Native Americans used to do this to buffalo bones to get at the little grease pockets lurking within the bone latticework; why shouldn’t we do the same? Another option is to remove the bones after half a day or so and go to work with a smaller hammer, a chef’s knife, or even the food processor. They’ll have softened considerably, and you’ll be able to chop them up into bits for quicker, more thorough extraction. Last week, I took a 10-inch chef’s knife to some cow knuckles and cow necks that’d been simmering for a day and returned the pieces for another few hours of cooking. That stock was the thickest, richest, most gelatinized stock I’ve ever made. Correlation, causation? I lean toward the latter. In fact, going forward, I plan on doing this every single time I make stock. The difference was just that huge.
- You can eat bone, technically. Now, if you’ve made a proper stock and gotten all you can out of your bones, eating them may not confer many benefits. Still, it’s an interesting thought. Chicken bones in particular become pretty delectable after a day of stewing, and I’ll confess to sifting through the stock solids for snacks. I haven’t eaten an entire carcass or anything (yet), but I may try a few of the smaller, softer bones as an experiment. Anyone else?
- Once your stock has cooled in the fridge, only skim the fat if you’re prepared to store or use the stock right away. That layer of fat is protecting your broth from adulterants, whether they’re random fridge flavors or bacteria.
- Speaking of fat, I’d toss poultry fat. It’s a relatively high-PUFA animal fat, and a day of simmering has probably damaged it beyond repair. If you’re stewing bones with more saturated animal fat, though, you should absolutely save the fat layer.
- Veggies are optional, but tasty. They add flavor, and the classic mirepoix blend of carrots, onions, and celery is always a welcome addition. Herbs work well, too. I’m partial to thyme, bay leaf, and whole peppercorns, with maybe a sprig or two of rosemary added. If you’re doing herbs and veggies, add them toward the end of cooking, especially if you’re doing a marathon two-day stock making session.
Divining the nutritional details of traditional foods like bone stock and bone marrow is difficult, if not impossible altogether. We know stock contains gelatin, calcium, phosphate, magnesium, glucosamine, chondroitin, and other trace minerals, but what are the numbers? We’re a numbers generation; we expect to have accurate info at the tips of our fingers at all times, but that’s unrealistic. Bone composition isn’t set in stone. What the animal ate, how it lived, where it lived, the mineral content of whatever it ate, the nutrient density of whatever it ate – these all factor into the composition and content of the bones, joints, and cartilage. The nutrition facts of commercial bone meal marketed as a calcium supplement gives us a general idea of the mineral content (900 mg calcium, 360 mg phosphorus, 9 mg magnesium per serving) of bone stock. That stuff comes from powdered “cattle raised in the United States,” which undoubtedly means corn-fed, nutritionally-deficient cows. We don’t know exactly how an animal’s diet affects its bone composition, but we know that it matters. Diet plays a huge role in everything, and I’d bet that grass-fed (again, as always) results in better, more nutritious stock. Regardless of the numbers, bone stock is good for you, damn good, and being somewhat in the dark about the precise nutrient count shouldn’t dissuade you from making and using your own bone stock on a regular basis.
Even if you don’t (or are unable to) seek out bones specifically for cooking, you’ll end up with plenty as leftovers. In fact, I’d suggest opting for whole animals or bone-in segments; the meat tastes better, it stays fresher longer, and you get some cooking bones when it’s all done. When you roast a chicken, you’ve got an entire skeleton to work with. When you cook a bone-in leg of lamb on the barbecue, you’ve got a big femur left over. What does a skinless breast offer after it’s been eaten, or an endless parade of steaks? I love a good steak as much as the next man, but a Primal eater shouldn’t live on muscle meat alone. I highly recommend giving homemade stock a try. If you eat animals, you should have access to their bones, and you should never throw those bones away.
Have I missed anything? Anyone have any good stock-making tips?
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Posted By: Mark Sisson
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Im an Executive Chef of a Fine Dining Restaurant and actually run a almost primal side menu for my healthy clientele. I make demi glace 20 times a year probably here is my recipe.
50# veal bones roasted and de glazed with 1 gallon red wine or marsala wine
20# onions
7 # celery no leaves they make it bitter
12# carrots
1/2 cs tomatoes or 4 v8 juice
3# garlic
1 cup cracked black pepper
12 bay leaves
12 bunches lemon thyme
any other herbs floating around
simmer for two days strain reduce until thick like sauce consistency. While its reducing skim the grease off the top
sometimes the end needs a little adjusting but normally comes our right on with flavor.
use a 25 gallon stock pot end result about 2 gallons give or take depending upon how rich the bones are
all veg is rough chopped
This looks FANTASTIC! Can you be more specific about the tomatoes or V8? Is that 1/2 case? of what size cans? OR 4 of what size V8?
I have lemon thyme in my garden and use it for most anything. I first got it years ago in a bag of salad greens and was instantly addicted. Try this appetizer: radish slices sprinkle with lemon thyme leaves. Oh Wow! Add it to cold cucumber soup, a bowl of fresh fruit, go wild. I never even thought to add it to demi-glace MY BAD!!!
If our tomatoes are in season I use tomatoes. It really depends on how acidic you want it. The V8 I use large cans even Sacramento tomato juice is good.
Who would have thought bones would be so good for your health! I like the idea of using all the leftover bones after Thanksgiving or a rotisserie chicken dinner. It couldn’t get much easier than making stock.
Forgive me for being new to this… but about how many bones would you need to use, or what volume of bones, per litre or cup of water? And how about mixing different animals? You never really see mixed broths in the store, just chicken or beef, but how would mixed stock taste?
I wonder about this too! Can we mix bones from different animals?
Sure! I’ve done this before, and it results in a richer broth. I really like using well-roasted bones – they add such great flavor to the stock!
Mix away! I actually prefer to use chicken stock for beef stew. It seems to add a more complex flavor. Technically it may be less “beefy” but it actually tastes better.
Depends how rich you want it but my favorite is from the Tender Grassfed Meat cookbook (awesome) where it says 4-6 lbs misc bones and scraps + veggies garlic italian parsley salt acv and enough water to cover it by 2-3 inches. Makes about 8 quarts. As far as mixing I haven’t tried it yet but it’s in the cookbook as well called nomad’s broth so it might be worth a try.
I make a stock for my family once a week in the crock pot from all of the meat, bone and vegetable scraps that we’ve accumulated throughout the week, which we keep in the freezer up until it’s time to rock. I usually make a random Paleo stew out of it and everyone loves it. It’s sort of like our weekly natural multivitamin.
My dog is currently chewing on a beef marrow bone. It looks like I need to join the party.
I try to make sure my dog eats at least one bone a week. I wish I could feed her all natural, primal like we are trying to eat, but unfortunately, the cost and time is just too much for me. I feed her regular old purina, and supplement with bones. have you noticed after you feed them marrow-rich bones, their poop is white and chalky? I thought there was something wrong with my dog when I saw that!
Ever since I was a little kid I bite off the ends of the chicken bones and suck out the marrow as much as possible. I do get weird looks when I do it in public though. Someone in my family must have done this or I would not have learned how. Perhaps my Grandmother. hmmmm
I wish I’d learned that too when I was young. Today, I want to be able to do it, but the thought of it gives me the heebie-jeebies!
Picked up a similar habit while visiting a friend in the Jamaican bush. He picked up the habit while living in Ghana, where he said he learned that “you can eat just about anything.” I had to believe him after watching him eat 95% of a grilled fish. Someone mentioned oxtail bones down below–another great way to get some marrow.
That said, given the differences in meat quality depending on how an animal is raised, I’d imagine the same is true for the bones. Unless you know the source of the bone, I’d be wary.
This is another blow to the myth that you can’t gets lots of needed vitamins and minerals from animal products alone. My simple-headed thinking on this: if an animal (like you) needs certain vitamins and minerals to live, maybe you can get them from going out and eating another animal which also requires the same trace minerals to remain healthy (and so probably already has lots of them in its body).
I remember reading that the navies of the world only started having problems with scurvy and other vitamin deficiency diseases when they switched from rations of meat (preserved in various ways for the long voyages: sausage, jerky, etc.) to rations based on simple carbohydrates (biscuits, hardtack).
Of course they solved the problem by adding fruit and vegetables (making the British Navy famous as “Limeys”) instead of just switching back to meat.
I have also seen research that simple carbohydrates actually leech vitamins and minerals from your body. If you compare your dietary needs to those of a wheat stalk, I think it is intuitively obvious that this plant wouldn’t have many of the trace elements we need.
you’re right, your thinking is simple-headed.
Mark – Could you explain the following:
“Speaking of fat, I’d toss poultry fat. It’s a relatively high-PUFA animal fat, and a day of simmering has probably damaged it beyond repair. If you’re stewing bones with more saturated animal fat, though, you should absolutely save the fat layer.”
Thanks!
-Daniel
I would love an explanation as well. When I read that I thought for a second that maybe I shouldn’t be eaten so much chicken!! Even organic, free-range and sometimes true pastured from a local farm.
PUFA – are not heat stable. Our broth/stock has been at high heat for over 24 hours, so anything not heat stable is probably rancid. Saturated fat is more stable when heated so it is probably okay.
This is only in regaurd to long cooked broths/stocks. When just heated for a short time, different rules – probably the ones you were thinking of – apply.
Thanks for this post Mark! Love the content!!
I make a lot of stock, in the pressure cooker. Alton Brown talked about low and slow in his stock episode, how the goodies need it to come out of the pores of the bones but the pressure cooker works fine for me and seems a lot more practical than cooking for 20 hours.
If I tried to cook something for 20 hours I think my wife would strangle me.
Interesting. How long do you cook it for?
Chicken stock perhaps an hour and a half. Once it builds up pressure, I turn the heat way down so it is barely hissing.
Thanks!
It will be an exciting day when I add all these extra primal things into my life… I can not wait to get my vibram 5 fingers for running barefoot.
And, eating bones, marrows, etc. sounds wonderful.
Through 5 days of my primal experiment the nutrient I am most lacking according to fitday is calcium. I just might have to eat some bone marrow now!
Calcium?? Interesting. Are you eating many green leafy veggies??
Yes… plenty. I add them to my smoothies and I make a big ass salad everyday.
Yesterday I had 2 green smoothies – 1 had 66 grams of spinach and the other had 50 grams of kale.
I also had 2 big ass salads – 1 had 80 grams of mixed salad greens and the other had about 40 grams of romaine lettuce.
I think this is actually too much… almost. But, I still fall short.
I eat absolutely no dairy however… I may consider buying grass fed raw dairy. That or I may take a calcium supplement.
Will for a start eating spinach has a bad affect on calcium absorption as it contains Oxalic acid which binds with calcium!
Oxtail is good to make bone broth with. After slow cooking, the meat falls off the bone and is edible.
Oxtail is fantastic! There’s a russian (east european) meat in aspic dish that usually involves the stock from cooking oxtail + some meat for hours (usually 6-8), then separating all the meat from the bones, covering it with the stock, and placing it into the fridge overnight.
Enjoy the next day with a russian mustard or some horseradish
I love oxtail! Not exactly primal, but I cook oxtail with black beans and then pick all the meat off the bones. Mix in a can of rotel and you’ve got a delicious meal
My butcher gives me bones for free whenever I ask him. I believe he likes to know that someone is getting some good out of what would otherwise be refuse.
@Classic: I also have been chewing the ends of chicken bones, and cracking them to extract the marrow, since childhood. Maybe you have to be discreet about it in restaurants, though…
@Angela: I routinely mix bones from different animals. The only distinction I make is between mammals and birds: as Mark says, poultry bones are much softer and take less cooking. His point about PUFA is another reason to segregate birds.
The one place in my grocery store where I can find interesting animal parts is in the dog food freezer.
I have cooked stock with a mixture of animal bones and it seemed to taste fine.
One of our favorite soups was made with stock made from ham hocks, then cooked bacon, onions, some bbq sauce and whatever veg you have, added.
I have a Sous Vide Supreme appliance and I wonder if it would work for stock?
I think the next batch of bones and veg scraps I save in the freezer will be in a cooking bag and I will give it a try. Has anyone else done this and if so, did it work?
I’ve been making bone stock for about a year now. It is like going from a black-and-white culinary world to one of color. My 19 month old has been having some bone stock with an pastured egg yolk every morning for the past year and she is incredibly hardy and robust. And she’s only had two significant colds in her life, so far (which is amazing given her older sister goes to a daycare where some of the kids are sick every week!). I’m sure these foods (and the full-fat grass-fed dairy yogurt and kefir) have played a major contributing role to her health.
How do you prepare the stock and egg yolk for your daughter?
I warm up some stock in a small saucepan then add it to a bowl with an egg yolk from a hard-boiled already placed in it. I mush it up and spoon feed it to her.
Our daughter’s nanny used to also make steamed eggs by placing the yolk of an uncooked egg in a small bowl, mix in some chicken stock, then steam them over boiling water for a few minutes.
What a great article! Thanks! I didn’t realize the bones should be cooked for so long. Your tip about adding the apple cider to help pull the nutrients out of the bones, that is the advice Mom gave me years ago, and I always do it. Not something you hear about, terrific for you to bring it up.
Willow
This is a Bone-a-Fide Great post…I have been cooking with bones for years. My Ukrainian Borscht starts with a bunch of beef and pork bones in a roasting pan and ends with YUM!
To really get the good stuff, stick the bones in a sturdy bag and smash them with your sledgehammer (you do have a sledgehammer, right?)
You can also throw them in a Vita-Mix. It is a lot easier.
…or a Blendtec. If those wonderful things can turn iPads into powder, they’ll work on beef bones.
“You can eat bone, technically. Now, if you’ve made a proper stock and gotten all you can out of your bones, eating them may not confer many benefits. Still, it’s an interesting thought. Chicken bones in particular become pretty delectable after a day of stewing, and I’ll confess to sifting through the stock solids for snacks.” -Mark Sisson
I just wanted to add that unless the bones are the consistency of rubber, there is still very significant mineral content there. If you put the bones in a container of pure vinegar and let it sit for a few days to give the minerals a chance to dissolve into the vinegar, you’ll see what I mean.
I’d just like to second the recommendation (as a lifetime stock cooker) that the pressure cooker is hand’s down the best way to go. Load it up, cook at 15lbs for 45 minutes and you have excellent stock.
You get bright fresh tasting stocks with much better extraction compared to duller stocks from cooking all day on the stove. It’s more energy efficient as well.
After every dinner with bones we toss them in a big ziplock back in the freezer, when we have enough bags we make stock.
I noticed one person said to put salt in the stock before cooking it, I highly discourage that. Make the stock without salt, reserve salt for the very final step in whatever you make with it.
I have taken a glucosamine/chondroitin supplement for osteoarthritis of the neck for the last 15 years. It made a huge improvement for me immediately, and I have had no progression.
For those of us who don’t have much time for cooking, are there any commercial broths that are any good?
Thanks Mark. This was a very timely article for me. I just got my 20kg of pasture fed bones today. I was a bit disappointed by the lack of marrow in them but now I know what to do with them
I will definitely start doing this, although it will be just for me, since my fiance is scared of bones. Lol, where is his primal instinct?
I’m still a bit confused about marrow. If I cook a stock (usually chicken) for 12-24 hours, am I getting the goodness of the marrow? Or do I ‘need’ to crack the bones in the stockpot. Or do I ‘need’ to actually eat the marrow.
I’d like to add that I always make my stocks in the slow cooker. Easy, trouble free, safe and frugal with energy use.
Fascinating article Mark. Thank you! As someone which joint problems this certainly is something I will look to explore in the future!
Great post! We started making our own broth a couple years ago, right around when our daughter was born. Homemade soup is now her most requested food.
Im not much of a fan of making stock but I do like curries and bone-in meat always tastes better in a curry than meat alone.
I am a fan of making my own stock, too. I bought some fryer chickens once to try, and I felt wasteful just chucking out a perfectly good carcass, so I made stock. I’ve been doing that ever since.
This marrow business is news to me… I think I’ll have to try it!
I make stock monthly. I’ve also eaten poultry bones. I also make mixed stock of lamb, turkey, and pork bones. Don’t forget shells. Lobsters and other crustaceans are also great in stocks.
Once the stock is made, how do you store it? Would freezing it in portion sizes be okay, or does that detract from nutrients? I know with breastmilk it can so I’m not sure if it’s the same with stock.
I always freeze my stock, never had a problem.
About the PUFAs going rancid: I never thought of that before. Does this still apply if it’s cooked on low in a crock pot the whole 12-24 hours? I’ve been just stirring the fat back in to the broth since I’ve been trying to eat more fat in general, but didn’t realize poultry fat was PUFAs.
Trader Joe’s has organic chicken & beef broths for a good price. I am not sure how they are created, perhaps someone else knows. I use them as a base for crockpot stews.
This morning I bought a chicken from our local, organic free range chicken farm. I asked if they ever had any bones? And was given 2.5 kilos of chicken leg / wing bones FREE!
Roasted them for about 30 minutes and now half of them are in the pressure cooker. I added a little apple cider vinegar too as recommended – don’t like the smell of it, but I can imagine how it will add to the calcium content.
Many thanks – great article!
Andrew
As Jacques Pepin says (about cooking in general) “Never throw anything away” and “Use this [referring to miscellaneous meat scraps] in your stock.”
He may not be paleo, but the man does know a thing or twelve about cooking. I have noticed, though, that a lot of French cooking is very amenable to paleo adaptations. I think the French keep their carbs more separate from their meats than a lot of other cooking traditions. They tend to put all their carbs in one basket, as it were – the bread and pastries, so it’s easy to just leave those out.
Stock on!
The thought you just described is exactly what I’ve been thinking about French cuisine. It’s such a perfect starting point, and happened to be my favorite cuisine prior to discovering the primal/paleo community. I always request French restaurants when going out with friends. The so-called French Paradox is not such a paradox to some.
I keep a ziplock bag in the freezer in which I collect chicken bones as well as all parts of onions that I’m not going to eat, especially the brown dried outer skin. In my experience, onion skins make the difference between good stock and truly great stock.
Update and question! I’ve now got a good quantity of lovely smelling, solidly jellied chicken stock. I will use some to make soup, some to cook chicken in (casserole) – but does anyone drink it just heated up and seasoned? Like a sort of chicken consommé?
Andrew
@ Andrew
I drink heated up bone soup by itself – as you say, it’s like a consomme – and sometimes I just take a spoon to the gelled contents of the jar in the fridge.
Great post Mark – especially as it is soon to be bbq time here in England!
When I was in Brazil, I tried a national dish, ‘Feijoada’. It was a bone delight!
I understand it is made with black turtle beans, pork and beef products, (ears, tail, feet), bacon, smoked pork ribs, (loin and tongue). All to be cooked slowly in a clay oven…
I was reluctant to eat the bones in the dish but not only did they add flavour to the stock, they were quite soft and tasty themselves!! and made me feel like a true Grok
I have been simmering about 5lbs of buffalo bones together with an onion, couple celery stalks, 2 carrots, some garlic and ginger. I’ve had it going for about a day and a half now. Coming home from work today I was surprised how much water had evaporated, a few hours more and it would have started burning, should have told my wife to add some hot water as needed. The smell is driving my dog crazy, he’s ready to attack the stove. Tomorrow night I am going to strain it and freeze it and save some of the meat parts which have fallen off for my dog.
@Valda – I heated up the stock with some fresh herbs and it was an ace drink!
Yesterday I bought a slow cooker (crockpot?) and today got some free range, grass fed beef bones (free) from the butcher. They are roasting now – I’ll give them 45 – 50 minutes.
I feel that they’d need too long in the pressure cooker for me to feel comfortable with it so I’ll put them in the crock pot with water and a touch of vinegar. But for how long??!!
My mom used to “can” chicken in Mason jars in her pressure cooker. The bones were so soft that you could just eat them with the chicken if you wanted to.
“FitDay” doesn’t seem to have a listing for homemade beef stock (or chicken) – only gravy, broth or tinned consommé.
So – my homemade French onion soup appears to have very little nutritional value – and I just don’t believe that! I think it must be much higher in minerals etc than they give it credit for! It made a filling, delicious and much enjoyed lunch – and added very little to my %RDA according to the chart.
I make beef stock with meaty bits like neck bones plus knuckle bones (femur tips), carrot, onion, and celery. I saved the fat I skimmed off the last batch – does this constitute tallow? I’d love to cook with it.
Weeeee! I’m off to get 10lbs of mixed bones (lamb, pork, goat) from my summer CSA supplier. I think I’m helping clean out their freezer so they’re giving me a huge deal. I’m also getting 5 whole ducks, pork fat (for lard-rendering), and various organs. all organic. Can’t wait to get cookin, roastin & stewin! Plus rendering some schmaltz & a try at duck confit.
Here is some great stock advice and discussion from Kitchen Stewardship, including some tips I added in the comments:
http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/2009/03/30/monday-mission-how-to-make-your-own-homemade-chicken-stockbroth/
I eat slow-cooked chicken bones all the time – the entire beast gets eaten, minus feathers, beak and bowels.
I have tried slow cooking duck and rabbit bones, but they appear never to get soft enough to eat.
The Nourishing Traditions cookbook has very clear instructions for stock, including the vinegar for releasing more minerals.
When I roast a chicken, I snag the roasted chicken wings every time and crunch the wing tips – YUM. and the carcass always goes directly into a pot after supper. I often roast chickens beer-can style and use different vinegars and herbs. Great flavor for the broth, but different than stock. Drinking the warm broth by itself is wonderful, especially if I’ve gone a little crazy with the herbs.
I reduce my stock to demi glace and put .5 pint jars in the freezer to save space. I measure how much stock I have and then reduce by barely simmering and divide the demi glace among the jars. I.e., if I start with 10 quarts of stock, I reduce the pot full so it will fit in 10 small jars. I can spoon out .25 of the demi glace to make 1 cup of reconstituted stock.
Reading about folks using slow-cookers is very interesting to me. I use a 16 quart stock pot and usually don’t have much room left after covering with the filtered water…
Anybody ever mix various animal bones? I made some amazing buffalo stock with leftover marrow bones (after I baked them and got out the marrow). Now I’m collecting some more buffalo bones but recently bought a leg of goat. Now I’ve got a nice goat foot and leg bones. I’m just wondering how goat and buffalo bones will make broth together or whether I should just do them separately.
Regarding the vinegar: I think it is best if the vinegar is added to the bones and water and let to sit at room temp for an hour or so before starting the simmer. Seems that’s what I have read in a number of different blogs and books regarding the most nourishing way to prepare bone broths. If you’re roasting the bones first, I’d let them cool a bit, dump in the stockpot, cover with cold filtered water, then add and mix in the vinegar–at least a couple tablespoons per quart.
Also, if you’re going to be adding herbs, etc., then you should wait until (after the vinegar soak) after bringing everything to a boil. Boil it for a few minutes and skim the scum that comes to the top–this will take longer in a slow cooker, so when I’m using mine, I’ll boil it on the stovetop, skim, then dump into the slow cooker. After skimming the crud off the top is when you add the herbs & spices, onion, carrots, celery, etc.
This is one of my favorite breakfasts, to have a cup of hot bone broth. I don’t even drink coffee anymore (well, not often), and I find that it holds me over better than the things I used to have would do. (Don’t miss donuts much) Still, I agree to not add salt until you’re actually using the broth, so be sure to taste before heading off to the computer and to start your morning with your broth in-hand.
One last tip: when freezing in jars, be sure the broth is fully cooled–I even use an ice bath–before putting in the freezer. Don’t fill the jars–leave two or so inches, or well below the “shoulder” of the jar–and don’t tighten the lids until after the broth is frozen solid. I have never had a jar break when I remember to follow these three simple guidelines.
The above post is a very clear rendering, no pun intended, of the Nourishing Traditions stock instructions. And thanks for adding the details about freezing stock. It is also helpful to freeze the stock in jars in a non-frost free freezer. I did have 2 jars break when I put the completely cooled jars in the frost-free freezer compartment of my refrigerator. Definitely use the ice-bath and make sure there is plenty of room for the stock to expand, and leaving the lids loose helps with the expansion. However, since I started cooking the stock down to demi glace, I have had no problems whatsoever. hmmm, think I’ll go get a cup of nice hot broth!
ummm looks appetizing, will give it a try!
How long can a jellied bone stock last in the fridge – not a freezer? I have some chicken stock which I made on Thursday – and it is now Tuesday – too long to be safe??
Andrew
Home-made stock kept in a glass jar in the fridge, should last a week. Not infrequently, I’ve found stock still good after two weeks. If you want reassurance, bring it to a boil for five minutes before you use it. It’ll start to smell “off” when it goes bad.
hmmm I guess I don’t know how to respond to a specific post. Anyway, the question of spinach affecting calcium absorbtion. I think Sally Fallon, in Nourishing Traditions, mentions that dark leafy greens should be cooked…at least a little… I know I read it somewhere. So wilt your greens before adding them to a smoothie; serve your slices of bbq’d tri tip hot on top of greens (spinach or arugula). Anyone who has memorized more of Nourishing Traditions than I have, please chime in on this.
Thank you! I just signed up for a chicken CSA and the birds come with heads & feet attached… good to know I can throw them in and get some benefit when making broth.
Just a tip from my mama, even if you’ve already roasted the chicken, re-roast the bones for an hour or two. It makes the flavor richer.
If I can’t afford grassfed/organic meat is it better not to make stock at all or can I still use conventional meat?
I find that lemon juice works quite as well as vinegar – chicken bones end up breakable with a wooden spoon. Also I like the taste better…
I remember when I was young reading an old book on ninjutsu training, and one section talked about diet. The author considered it extremely important to eat the whole fish, bones and all.
So I wonder, has anyone here tried making fish stock? Is there anything different about boiling fish bones compared to mammals?
I love your article, Mark, on making stock from bones. Four days ago, before I’d read your article I made my first lot of stock from a pile of pork bones, and was rewarded with a lovely glutinous concoction which I’m including in gravies, soups, stews, etc. I have been recently reading about hyaluronic acid and how good it is for joints, skin, hair, eyes, and I did purchase some capsules which were quite expensive. However, I found on taking them that I felt overwhelmingly tired, so stopped taking them and decided to make the stock in the hope that it will contain hyarulonic acid, and thus allow me to get HA naturally. I know that HA can be obtained from chicken combs, can it also be got from cooked animal bones?
I’ve made fish stock quite often – i do Not know how nutritious it is compared to mammals or birds.. however, it is easy and fish heads are often free- just toss a bunch of heads and fish parts into a pot and boil – it’s delicious! It also becomes more Creamy than jellylike.