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December 18, 2009

Demystifying Detox

By Mark Sisson
121 Comments

It’s a nebulous term used by snake oil-salesmen to sell products cloaked in pseudoscientific terminology on late night television. Detox. If what they say is true, we apparently have millions of toxins constantly circulating throughout our body, permeating our cells, coating our digestive systems in a poisonous film, bogging down our organs. These toxins cannot be dealt with, nor reasoned with via the standard avenues of diet and exercise; no, they require the aid of special supplements and detox paraphernalia: magic herbs, weird colon-scouring clay mixtures, foot pads that supposedly suck the toxins directly out of the body, lemonade or juice fasting kits, liver flushes. They’ll often bring out a spokesperson who plays doctor well enough to convince your average Cheeto powder-encrusted insomniac that he or she needs this book or that colon cleanse to avoid obesity, cancer, disease, and depression. If you could just flush out all those toxins, you’d be doing great.

It’s all utter nonsense, of course. And it’s telling that these people never actually identify the toxins. It’s just a blanket term with unnerving connotations and few real denotations – but that’s exactly how the detox scam artists like it. Drum up fears about mysterious toxins without ever having to identify them. Perfect.

Let’s take a look at a few of the more popular detox methods.

The Master Cleanse

Also known as the lemonade diet, the Master Cleanse protocol prescribes a strict detox diet consisting of distilled water, lemon juice, cayenne pepper, and maple syrup, with morning salt water flushes. Yeah, you basically drink nothing but spicy lemonade for thirty days and this is supposed to remove “harmful toxins,” accelerate “healthy weight loss,” and bring about “the correction of all disorders.” Common side effects are dizziness, muscle waste, headaches, nausea, irrational cravings, and vomiting – but these are touted as evidence that the Master Cleanse is working. All that diarrhea and fatigue? That’s just your body expelling the toxins!

Still, some people report beneficial effects. Weight loss is one, but is that any surprise when the average glass of Master Cleanse (two tablespoons maple syrup, two tablespoons lemon juice, 1/6 teaspoon cayenne pepper) runs a little over 100 calories? Besides, there’s no protein in this diet, making it highly catabolic. Fasting of any sort can have beneficial effects (SIRT1 expression, for example), but those are better pursued through intermittent fasting and proper Primal nutrition.

Colonic Cleansers

You’ve probably seen the disgusting images of toxic “mucoid plaque” deposits culled from unhealthy colons.  If not, give “mucoid plaque” or “colon cleanse” a whirl in Google Image search. You’ll get hundreds of results, images of brown/black, ropy extrusions that look a bit like chewed up Tootsie Rolls. This is “mucoid plaque,” a toxic film that supposedly accumulates on the walls of our colons over the years. No one is safe from the scourge of mucoid plaque, and the only way to rid yourself of this menace is to purchase a special fiber-and-herb cleansing formula, or shoot a high-powered jet of water through your colon to dislodge the toxins.

It’s strange, then, that physicians have always been unable to locate this mysterious, seemingly ubiquitous colonic plaque, even after “several thousand intestinal biopsies.” Some even suggest that the colon cleansers are creating the problem themselves, and that those ropy extrusions are the product of consuming all that insoluble fiber in the cleansing formulas. Huh? A self-fulfilling marketing ploy that ensures repeated consumption of a product by exacerbating the very condition it purports to relieve? Nah, that would never, ever happen.

Heroic Doses of Fiber

The obsession with consuming massive amounts of fiber to push things along is just weird to me. If you realize what insoluble fiber does in your colon – it scours the walls and generates the production of lubricating mucus, sort of a defense mechanism – you get a little apprehensive about consuming heroic doses of the stuff. A bit of fiber is fine (and may even enhance gut production of butyric acid), especially in whole-food fruit and vegetable form, but to supplement with massive amounts of fiber is completely unnecessary. It assumes that single daily visits to the toilet aren’t nearly enough. We are unclean, impure animals that must purge our colons five times a day.

This is insanity. If you poop once every two days, you’re fine. I’d even say constant trips to the bathroom are indicative of a problem; the notion that our bodies were designed to expel waste every couple hours is ridiculous. Efficiency of elimination makes far more evolutionary sense.

But the detox crowd needs that feedback. They like to know “something’s happening.” They love depositing those “plaque deposits” in the toilet bowl. They live for the lightheadedness and vomiting of a lemonade cleanse, because that means it’s working. What’s interesting to me is that most of these detox pushers claim they’re promoting a more natural existence, free of toxic chemicals and manmade contaminants, and yet they display a distinct lack of faith in the body’s ability to naturally regulate itself. They place themselves in direct opposition to conventional physicians and claim to represent the alternative side of medicine that considers the body as a holistic thing, rather than a set of symptoms to be treated with drugs and invasive techniques. I see two sides of the same coin. I see a quack that considers the human body to be inherently flawed and in desperate need of outside assistance. He or she may not be peddling heavily marketed pharmaceuticals with questionable clinical support, but the “natural” lifestyle changes they promote are anything but non-invasive and border on the religious or the self-flagellating.

The concept of detox is real, but our bodies are already equipped with natural measures designed to remove toxic substances from circulation. We really don’t need any new-fangled products with no scientific basis when we’ve got lungs, kidneys, a liver, the colon, and our body’s tendency toward homeostasis, all of which work perfectly well.

When we breathe out, our lungs are expelling CO2 from the body.

Our kidneys remove various acids from the body while regulating water levels. Excess water can carry too many electrolytes, or even urea (a real toxin).

The liver is a massive factory devoted to detox. It has a real knack for taking insoluble toxins and adding a molecule that renders them water-soluble; the toxins can then be excreted out by the kidneys. This is a far more elegant detoxification process than swallowing a bunch of herbs and insoluble fiber to flush out your colon.

And finally the poor, misunderstood colon. The colon is, quite literally, a waste removal system. It’s specifically designed to handle large amounts of toxic fecal matter. It’s “dirty,” I guess, just like the inside of your garbage can is dirty. It’s supposed to be dirty! It’s built to hold all that dirt and keep it from ending up where it doesn’t belong. Sure, people have problems with their colons from time to time, but ripping it asunder with a bunch of fiber and regularly shooting it with a powerful stream of water won’t help you there.

If you’re eating an otherwise healthy Primal diet, detox is naturally taken care of via urination, defecation, sweating, and exhalation. Avoiding fructose and binge drinking keeps your liver free of fatty deposits and running smoothly. Round things out with regular exercise, steady sleep, and plenty of sun, and I’ll bet that you, your colon, and your toxic load will be just fine.

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Dave, RN
Dave, RN
6 years 9 months ago

I used to work in an Endoscopy clinic. Of all the insides colons I saw (several every day), I never saw any “mucoid plaque”. All these people did was drink the go-juice we gave them the night before. Clean as a whistle in just a few hours! All I ever really saw (besides disease process) were bits of corn. Just ask your dog, corn just doesn’t digest well. Actually, you don’t have to ask, just… watch.

Ed
Ed
6 years 9 months ago

The plaque cleanout commercials claim that you have up to 20 lb. of plaque “like spackle or paste” in your colon. So I was disappointed that my weight and waist measurements were the same after my recent screening colonoscopy as they were before the prep started.

Kelli
Kelli
2 years 10 months ago

At any one time your GI tract can hold 15-30 lbs of fecal matter. It’s the food you eat after and the amount of food you eat that is going to determine your weight loss. If you just cleanse out the garbage in your intestine and eat eat garbage what’s the point, you’re not going to see any results. The first time I cleansed, my very first stool contained a lot of sunflower seeds, I hadn’t eaten sunflower seeds in over three weeks! Thats disgusting, they were stuck in the fecal plaques unable to pass into my large intestine

albert
albert
6 years 2 months ago
some of the detox methods you mention may well be questionable. however, to lump all of them in the same boat is not responsible or informed. i have talked with two pathologists about colon impactions, and both of them said that nearly every single one of them they saw on autopsy was filled with impaction. the primal blueprint is probably a good way to keep the body clean; maybe it is even the best method. but this does not detract from the veracity of some of the available cleanses that are out there. there are too many anecdotal stories now… Read more »
Rachel
Rachel
5 years 6 months ago

“impaction” is very different than the type of “detoxing” most of these cleanses are aiming for. if you’re impacted, your health deteriorates very quickly. your intestines are prevented from doing the detox work that they’re supposed to do. Mark isn’t talking about a true impaction (which requires immediate medical attention and would be made significantly worse by large amounts of fiber), he’s talking about your run-of-the-mill “i could feel better so i’m trying a detox” sort of thing.

chantal
chantal
1 year 1 month ago
Hi Albert. I am one of these people with a fully blocked colon and it is set like concrete. I only discovered one month ago through a CT scan with burimiun(?)(something like that, a dye to see the contents of the colon) Chronically constipated all my life (51) years; I’m sure I was near death the last two years trying to get movement in my bowls. I’ve seen all the professionals, and have found a Chinese doctor who is having any effect at all. With acupuncture, Tui Na massage on my ren channel and herbs. A very slow process indeed.… Read more »
Fred
Fred
1 year 1 month ago

The proven cure for severe constipation is detailed in the book, “No More Heart Disease” by Nobel Prize winner Dr. Ignarro. He recommends 5 grams of L_Argenine & 1 Gram of L-Citruline daily.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vpBf2OUlekJ1gjPy4G_SUSL5BLXc9rp0mO-4KTVuATA/edit#

Fred

Kelli
Kelli
2 years 10 months ago

Well how many times did you see the insides of the small intestine? Colonoscopies only view the insides of the large intestine and the cecum, the end of the small intestine. The large intestine holds all the trash, left overs from what food we were able to actually digest, the plaques come from the small intestine.

greg
greg
6 years 9 months ago

there’s a commercial master cleanse “energy drink” knocking around now. agave sweetened lemonade spiked with cayenne. got handed one free at a farmer’s market by a “guerilla marketer.” it’s still in the fridge, I should throw it away.

Aaron Blaisdell
6 years 9 months ago

Flax seeds seem to make it through the GI tract intact. Honestly, Mark, you should have had a warning label before showing us that opening picture.

I did my own version of a colonic today. I had a slice of pizza (first time in over 6 months) at my daughter’s day care Christmas party this morning. My system almost forgot what wheat is. Almost.

Grok
6 years 9 months ago

I had a little mishap with some pizza the other night. My body cleansed it… but the air in the room for the next day could have used some help!

Icarus
Icarus
6 years 9 months ago

I don’t get gas from pizza, but since starting a low carb/high fat/primal-ish eating lifestyle about a year ago, I get mild acid reflux from eating any wheat flour, including pizza. It also makes me sleepy. Ah, pizza, you are my joy and my bane.

Frank
Frank
6 years 9 months ago

Yeah,that’s why you have to grind up flax seeds into powder if you consume them.

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Elizabeth @ The Nourished Life
6 years 9 months ago
I completely agree that these fad “cleanse” diets are basically worthless. However, I do think some detox protocol is beneficial, but in a way that addresses detox from a nutritional point of view. For instance, supplementing with probiotics (or ingesting a lot of naturally probiotic foods like lacto-fermented sauerkraut or kefir) can be helpful for restoring healthy flora in the gut. A lack of friendly bacteria in the gut is a serious problem for many people, one that may not be conquered by dietary changes alone (although these are necessary as well). Other simple, natural practices like dry skin brushing… Read more »
Icarus
Icarus
6 years 9 months ago
Aaron, pizza is my one remaining junk food craving. I still haven’t found a good primal replacement, unfortunately. The lining of your intestines is replaced completely by new cells every week or so. I’ve never bought the idea that we’ve got tons of junk sitting there for that reason – and because, if you’ve ever watched a colonoscopy (fun!) you’d notice that the inside of a colon tends to be pink and empty. The best thing you can do to “detox” your body is to maintain adequate liver function, and the best thing you can do for your liver is… Read more »
AdamKayce
6 years 9 months ago

Nah, that would never, ever happen.

I almost launched lemon water (no cayenne, so no worries) all over my keyboard with that one.

I, too, know of medical professionals who have seen hundreds of colonoscopies, and no plaque anywhere. Sure is odd.

Rachel Allen
6 years 9 months ago
I think my metabolic syndrome is effect of the many lemonade “cleanses” I did in my twenties. The longest I went was 19 days. I ate no food, but repeated upped my insulin with syrup and fruit juices in copious amounts. Never felt worse in my entire life, but as the article says, the worse you feel, the more productive you imagine the fast is. Years later now, I’m pre-diabetic and can take no sugar or fructose without a terrible response. I’m gluten intolerant and get severe reactions when I eat the smallest amount of grains. Eating more primally keeps… Read more »
Odetta
Odetta
3 months 7 days ago

AGREED!

Dave
6 years 9 months ago

I actually did the lemonade cleanse in the summer of 2008. Luckily I discovered this site not long afterwards and cut out the crazy.

The lemonade diet is an interesting feeling. I was cold all the time, but never really hungry. The spicy lemonade is actually kind of tasty once you get used to it. The worst part was the salt water flush. You have to chug a liter of salt water every morning and 2 hours later (like clockwork) the whole liter comes out the other end. I shudder at the memory.

Erika
Erika
6 years 9 months ago

This obsession with fiber is an eating disorder. People who put pipes up their tooshies think they are somehow assisting the body with detoxification. I say they are screwing around and looking for a sick excuse to get some pleasure in that zone. I think these people have a lot of self hate to think their bodies are toxic. My idea of natural medicine is nourish not break and enter.
In my experience, high fat eating is great for constipation. High fiber eating was horrible.

Isaac Wilkins
6 years 9 months ago
“My idea of natural medicine is to nourish not break and enter.” -Erika Wow. That might just be my favorite quote of the day! As a performance coach/trainer I every so often have to have this argument with a client that spent too long at the natural health store and was convinced to cleanse. Of course, from a performance point of view this type of stuff is just about the worst thing you can do nutritionally. I almost have to preface directions to a natural health store for a client with “Buy some good organic stuff, but don’t listen to… Read more »
Erika
Erika
6 years 9 months ago

I got that from reading articles by Susun Weed where she talks about the difference between medical traditions. She says there are basically 3 schools of thought: the Heroics, the Scientifics and The Wise woman tradition. She is really against veganism and colon cleansing. She says she has personally known a few people die after getting colonics. You can read a lot of articles off her website and check out some videos on youtube. There’s a great video that has a raw food vs. cooked food debate between Brigitte mars and her. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nRwn7VRvb8

Jlynn
Jlynn
6 years 9 months ago

Working in the ER just before bathing suit season starts is always entertaining. All the girls coming in fainting, falling and hurting themselves because some TV “doctor” told them they need to cleanse their dirty colons for boys to like them… sadly we can’t treat stupidity…

Jojo
Jojo
6 years 9 months ago
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for posting this. 2 Years ago, I spent about 6 weeks working as a receptionist at a colonics/detox “spa” (clinic). I’m still recovering from the emotional trauma of working with such a manipulative saleswoman. I love going on MDA and learning all the BS they sold people on (with the single exception of going gluten free) including raw foodism and veganism is totally wrong for the human body! Every sentence of their literature was full of lies and misinformation, and the owner would send e-mails to my supervisor about how my nutritional beliefs were… Read more »
Katie
Katie
6 years 9 months ago

Which image is more disgusting: mucoid plaque of the colon or the cheeto-powdered-encrusted insomniac? This post can be very helpful if you’re doing an IF!

Christine Garvin
6 years 9 months ago
While I most certainly agree with a lot that you had to say, having been a vegan and “extreme cleanser” for many years and having had my health suffer the worse for it, I don’t agree with the notion that going to the bathroom once every two days is ok, or that we don’t need to cleanse every so often. Many traditional medicines, including Ayurveda and Chinese Medicine, have deep cleanses as part of their health regimes. Plus, you have to think about the fact that not only are we dealing with chemicals in our foods that didn’t exist before… Read more »
Erik
Erik
6 years 9 months ago

Yes, but what constitutes a “basic cleanse”?

Do you mean full abstention from the sugar, caffeine, grains, etc? That sounds exactly like the PB eating plan, actually (except for perhaps the caffeine), rather than just an occasional cleansing ritual.

Christine Garvin
6 years 9 months ago

For every person, a basic cleanse is a different thing. I’ve seen some people get their health back by consistently doing juice cleanses. I’ve seen others thrive on a macrobiotic diet, the opposite of this plan. For some people, like myself, caffeine is horrible and will muck up everything else I do.

My point is, no one diet is good for everyone, but everyone can certainly benefit from cleaning their system every once in a while, whether that be something as simple as oil-pulling, or something as intense as a day or two of fasting.

Icarus
Icarus
6 years 9 months ago

How are vegetables going to magically “cleanse” your system? If you think organic vegetables have nothing in them that your body would recognize as toxins, think again. Plants protect themselves from predators (animals) by producing chemicals (capsaicin, caffeine, phytoestrogens, phytates, oxalates, etc.) regardless of the type of plant and the part you’re eating. Fruit has the least amount of chemicals (seeds the most) but fruit also has fructose which, eaten in significant amounts, is as bad for your liver as alcohol.

Christine Garvin
6 years 9 months ago

Natural “toxins” that our bodies have dealt with since we first began eating, or ones that we have learned how to break down over time (as is the case with phytates, phytoestrogens if we properly prepare the food – i.e. ferment, soak, sprout, etc.) are extremely different than man-made chemicals that our livers have never seen before.

Barbara Saunders
Barbara Saunders
6 years 8 months ago

Are they? That’s an honest question! I’m not a scientist, but aren’t “man-made chemicals” made from chemicals that exist in nature, and which our bodies handle the same way?

Donnersberg
Donnersberg
5 years 4 months ago

I do believe that humans have evolved to take care of plant toxins naturally.

Whenever I feel like cleansing my system out because of inconsistency (cheating on my primal diet with a wheat pizza because of social reasons) I juice a bunch of veggies that make 1 giant glass of fresh juice and drink it at once.

It produces a ‘flood’ without any ‘thunderstorms’.

Tracee
6 years 9 months ago
When my husband’s outrageous snoring problem stopped after putting him on a daily probiotic, I asked my doctor how this was possilble. He said “If you take good care of your good bacteria then they will take good care of you. They will clean house.” He also went on how the sugar and junk in the normal diet will undo any benefits. Real food is the best detox agent. If you don’t put junk into your body then you won’t have anything to detox. About 35 percent of us have lower Mannan Binding Lectins, meaning our ability to clear extra… Read more »
Peachy
Peachy
6 years 9 months ago
Hi from Oz! Just found your site a few days ago Mark and have been eagerly devouring everything on it since then (like all day, each day), still going! I’m a qualified Personal Trainer who has always struggled with her weight – too heavy by far right now! I’ve always tried to stick to “healthy eating” (low fat, etc) and wondered why it wouldn’t work for me, and why I simply couldn’t control my sugar cravings. Well, now I know!!! The primal way of living just “sits” well somehow – deep inside I just know that it’s right and I… Read more »
Peachy
Peachy
6 years 9 months ago

Thanks again Mark. You’ll certainly see me around here. Just ducking off to the farmers market now (one habit I’ve been getting right).

Grok rocks!!!

antonio
6 years 9 months ago
Going to the bathroom once every two days is a CONSTIPATED person ALso, if u ever get a colonics, u will see ‘plaque – like stuff coming out without having used the fiber products. ‘…we’ve got lungs, kidneys, a liver, the colon, and our body’s tendency toward homeostasis, all of which work perfectly well.’ Dude i dont know where you live, but this is false. Humans, Americans in particular, are radically unhealthy and have chronic health problems including constipation & irritable bowel, liver dysfunction and abuse from poor diet & lifestyle, people’s bodies are overwhelmed with stress and struggling and… Read more »
Alchemyguy
Alchemyguy
6 years 9 months ago
This is a profoundly stupid response. The article points out that the reason you see “plaque” when you go for a colonic is because you ingest the stuff (as part of the cleanse, not as part of your daily life) that *makes* the “mucoid plaque”. It’s a miracle! I downed a concoction that is going to gel up in my intestines, I poop out some awful goo and they’re all ‘see! I told you you had awful goo in there!’ Did you not read that bit of the article, or the responses from people that actually look inside of people’s… Read more »
albert
albert
6 years 2 months ago
why don’t you read up a bit on dr. gerson who cured thousands of people of cancer and other degenerative diseases. there is a world of difference between a world class athlete getting fitter and a person on their deathbead trying to save their life. granted, the paleo diet may have been the ultimate answer for these people if they had started from birth, but this is not the case for some people, and you have to deal with these things on a case by case basis. now let’s see some terminally ill cancer patients on the PB diet. i’ll… Read more »
Adam Skinner
Adam Skinner
6 years 16 days ago
If the “concoction” creates the problem, then why is it that: 1) Not everyone sees the same results? 2) You don’t see the “awful goo” every time you use it, even though you consume the same amount with the same frequency? 3) There are tangible subjective benefits (at least for someone on the Standard American Diet) during the cleanse, including increased energy and a decreased waistline? If this were mere hokum, you wouldn’t have so many people claiming that “it works”. Now, not all colon cleanses use the same method, nor have I personally tried any ones other than Colonix… Read more »
Shebeeste
Shebeeste
6 years 9 months ago

What about the cleansing effect of sweating through the use of saunas and steamrooms. I’ve pretty much stopped believing Dr. Andrew Weil (he markets too many chocolate-coated “health foods” now) but I took to heart his recommendation about saunas. Is that bunk too or do the Finns know something we don’t?

Ed
Ed
6 years 9 months ago

Sweating is designed to cool the body, not to detoxify it. The toxins in sweat are no more concentrated than the toxins in your bloodstream, so you can’t do significant detox by sweating. However, if you sweat too much you may become dehydrated, which will interfere with your liver and kidneys, which are the waste disposal organs of your body.
Sweating burns a few calories, but from what I’ve read this is not significant. It’s probably far better to sweat by exercising than to sit in a sauna.

Barbara Saunders
Barbara Saunders
6 years 8 months ago

This reminds me of a locker room debate I had with some women who claimed that sweating “released toxins” from their skin and improved their complexions. My reasoning is that exercise improves complexion because it improves circulation not because of the sweat!

Katerina
Katerina
6 years 9 months ago

Hey Mark-

I was just wondering what is your stance was on extended water fasting? (Say, 5-7 days)

Jeremy
Jeremy
6 years 9 months ago

Nice pictures…ugh

jennifer
6 years 9 months ago
i also was a chronic cleanser. i agree rachel that that totally messed up my system. i no longer believe in cleansing but in supporting the organs that cleanse. we are one of the only cultures in the world that doesn’t regularly ingest bitter foods. (i.e. dandelion leaves and….sorry early for me so i can’t think, but you get the point). other animals seek out bitter things every once in a while (cats, dogs, and gorillas seek out bitter leaves when they don’t feel well). the bitterness stimulates the system and the liver loves bitter foods. SO….long story short (too… Read more »
jennifer
6 years 9 months ago

and often, that black tarry stuff seen in colon cleansing adds is the LINING of the colon that is expelled with really aggressive and chronic cleansers. once the lining is gone, the colon is completely permeable and then there is REAL trouble. of course, cleansers think that all that illness brought on by the loss of part of their organ is just a call for another cleanse.

Indiscreet
Indiscreet
6 years 9 months ago

It reminds me of those gall bladder cleanses that produce “stones” – actually soap stones caused by the consumption of lemon juice and fats (olive oil or cream) prescribed beforehand. Crazy stuff.

Dave, RN
Dave, RN
6 years 9 months ago

Yea, if you were passing gallbladder stones, you wouldn’t be marveling at them at home, you be in some serious pain at the hospital!

Milemom
Milemom
4 years 10 months ago

pain beyond belief…especially when you develop pancreatitis as a result.

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Steve
6 years 9 months ago

If you buy into Mark’s theories… you will not be interested in this video of SUPER COLON BLOW!!! lol SNL Skit… enjoy.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/clips/colon-blow/229046/

FYI – I have been fully Primal since August and I am “regular” every two days. 🙂

Katerina
Katerina
6 years 9 months ago

Mark-

My question still stands as ‘what is your opinion on water fasting’, but in particular it is more so “how do you recommend I ease back into eating primally after a 7 day water fast” (I need to do the fast for a medical condition). I just don’t want to burden my stomach, but I don’t want to eat copious amounts of fruit either. What would Grok do?

Mark Sisson
6 years 9 months ago

Katerina, a water fast is just a fast. I have referred often on this site to Intermittent Fasting and its benefits. How long you decide to fast is up to you, but all I would ever do personally is an IF of two days max. As for easing back into regular eating after seven days, I would do just that: ease into it. I’d make the first two meals fairly small, just to avoid any distension or other discomfort. Not sure why you would voluntarily fast for 7 days…

Troy
Troy
6 years 9 months ago

the almighty coffee enema!! i still do this with a special detox of my own,,,,, for only 5 days though!!! master cleanse is worthless… anyone who starves loses weight… i may create the micro brew cleanse someday… haha…

troy

David Scharps
David Scharps
6 years 9 months ago
Mark, If you spend a few weeks really studying cleansing and detox you will find out that most people’s bodies in our country are NOT moving the fecal matter quickly enough. In fact, most people due to poor diet and consuming far to much animal flesh which putrifies in colon which causes all types of problems. I have studied this area for several years now and I can tell you that the colon, in an unclean state, over a long period of time causes most degenerative disease. There is a saying ” Death begins in the colon, coined by BernardJensen… Read more »
Alchemyguy, Science Bulldog
Alchemyguy, Science Bulldog
6 years 9 months ago
“I have studied this area for several years now and I can tell you that the colon, in an unclean state, over a long period of time causes most degenerative disease.” Have you. Really. As a medical professional, using scientific techniques. I believe you. I really, really do. But you’re going to have to prove it to the rest of these fine people; show us…uhh, I mean them…the science conducted by reputable MEDICAL doctors using rigorous techinques and under peer review that support your claims of slow bowels and rotting meat. Also, it would be swell if you debunk the… Read more »
Christine Garvin
6 years 9 months ago
Actually, Naturopaths are regulated in many states, and are covered by health insurance in places such as Washington. “Real” medicine is what has been defined by Allopathic medical professionals, by an industry that has been around for less than 150 years, while TCM, Ayurveda, and Herbalism have been around for thousands, and Homeopathy for at least hundreds. Need some “scientific studies” to show that what Naturopaths advise their patients do (diet-wise very similar to what is recommended on this site), not that Naturopathy in and of itself works (impossible to prove, just as Allopathic medicine in and of itself is… Read more »
Alchemyguy, Science Bulldog
Alchemyguy, Science Bulldog
6 years 9 months ago
Are you actually claiming that it’s impossible to prove that real medicine *works*??!? Seriously? I’ve posted it before on other topics here; cured polio and eradicated smallpox, save millions of lives every year from malaria, typhoid, dyptheria, etc and have expanded our understanding of the human machine exponentially allowing us opportunities to save billions that would have never had a chance over the past hundred years. How many people have any of your CAM saved from, say, malaria in, say, the last 2000 years? None. I would suggest that the proof of failure lies with CAM, not conventional medicine. People… Read more »
Dr. B
Dr. B
1 year 3 months ago
Thank you! There is a difference between a “naturopath” and a naturopathic doctor or naturopathic physician (ND). Naturopathic doctors attend 4-year accredited medical schools and are trained in all of the same basic science and clinical science (including pharmacology, minor surgery and emergency medicine) as allopathic physicians. They use the same diagnostic labs/imaging, physical exams, etc. that mainstream medicine uses. They can legally diagnose, and are well trained to do so. A regular “naturopath” is someone who attended an unaccredited program, many of which are online; such individuals are NOT medical professionals. Go to cnme.org to see a list of… Read more »
Ruby
4 years 9 months ago
David, who fed that scam to you? Read over at Gnolls about why meat does not rot in your gut, but guess what does? Stuff that vegetarians eat: beans, grains and veggies: http://www.gnolls.org/1444/does-meat-rot-in-your-colon-no-what-does-beans-grains-and-vegetables/ I think Mark’s message is clear: instead of doing these fad detoxes, if you want to heal your body, start eating the right food. If you were formerly a cheetos eater + soda drinker, a few months on a clean diet of quality pastured meat, good vegetables and maybe some limited starches will do more good for your colon than starving yourself and feeding non-food to your… Read more »
Dave, RN
Dave, RN
6 years 9 months ago

“Putrifies in our colon”? I don’t think so If it does, I suppose all of those native Americans were wrong to eat buffalo etc… Meat moves quite quickly and nicely through the colon. The old “putrefying in the colon” is an old vegetarian argument long disproved. Grains, on the other hand, do quite a number on the old gut…

Patrick
Patrick
6 years 9 months ago

It doesn’t putrify in the colon, it putrifies in the small intestine. that’s the body’s “dark contitnent,” the one doctors can’t see with a colonoscopy. just from the smell of the horrid liquids and solids that come out of you from a master cleanse or a clay-based cleanse it’s clearly not solely from the products that people are ingesting.

Icarus
Icarus
6 years 9 months ago

It doesn’t putrefy at all. (That’s the correct spelling, by the way.) Meat is mainly water, protein, and fat, and if you have a functioning stomach to break down the proteins into their constituent amino acids and a functioning gallbladder to break down the fats into their constituent fatty acids, you’ll be able to digest it just fine. Because animals have only a cell membrane and not a cell wall, they’re actually easier to digest than plants. And again, the lining of the intestines is entirely replaced every few days, so…

Alchemyguy, Science Bulldog
Alchemyguy, Science Bulldog
6 years 9 months ago
Thank You Icarus. Tell me, have any of you that believe this bit of nonsense ever opened up the gut of a freshly killed animal, still warm? If you haven’t, what do you imagine it smells like? I’ll fill you in; it smells awful, no matter the animal or where it died. I’m sure that elk my father killed in the Canadian Rockies, in which he had to hike for half a day from his camp, a day and a half from automobile access didn’t live like an “American” or have an awful atmosphere full of over-hyped pollutants, but somehow… Read more »
David Scharps
David Scharps
6 years 9 months ago
Mark, You really are missing the point, you assume that everyone has a well functioning colon, unfortunately, very few do!!. If everyone was in homeostasis, then perhaps you would not need to sell pills, perhaps? Unfortunately a high percentage of the population is constipated and there are many ramifiications of long term constipation, one of the big ones is a build up of harmful bacteria in the colon. In a perfect world, what you say is true, we do not need to clean our colon ,then we do not need vitamin supplements either. We can eat our way to perfect… Read more »
Rachel Allen
6 years 9 months ago
Hate to double post, but I remembered two radio personalities in Houston who did the 5 day fast with a natural “cleanse” where all that ropy, black corruption comes out of you for days. Well, one of them reported he had taken several of the “fiber” pills they were forced to take several times a day with copious amounts of water and placed it in a large jar with h2o. The pills soaked up more and more water in the glass they had been put in and after a time they said the substance that had formed looked mysteriously like… Read more »
Mellisa McJunkin
6 years 9 months ago
Greetings Mark, I will start off by saying that I usually appreciate your “no nonsense” approach to everything. Even though I may not always 100 percent agree, I do respect your opinion. But I think that this is a controversial subject, and the “take away” for me anyway, is that this is your opinion. I do see your points, and I raise you a few more. Secondly, I would say that I was disappointed that, in my opinion, you crossed the line in good taste by starting off with the whole “anyone who tries to sell ya on the whole… Read more »
Alchemyguy, Science Bulldog
Alchemyguy, Science Bulldog
6 years 9 months ago
I don’t have much time today, so I’m only going to touch on a few points here. “Is there excessive sludge in our gut as a toxic by product? I don’t know. Some say there is, some say there is not.” Those that say there is: Cleanse vendors and those that believe their claims. Those that say there is not: Medical folk with bum-cameras that can actually *see* in there. And order medical tests. I don’t think there’s any real discussion to be had there. “I don’t think that there is much doubt that our bodies are under a tremendous… Read more »
Mellisa McJunkin
6 years 9 months ago
Dear Alchemyguy, With all due respect sir, that is I’m assuming you are a sir… I directed my comments and concerns to Mark, but since you took the time to respond, I have some additional questions/comments for you. 1) Comment In response to : “Those that say there is not: Medical folk with bum-cameras that can actually *see* in there. And order medical tests. I don’t think there’s any real discussion to be had there.” You’re right, there is nothing in there. Because Bum camera patients must endure a 2-3 day liquid only diet, harsh chemical laxative, and an enema.… Read more »
Icarus
Icarus
6 years 9 months ago

Oh, well, if the American Heart Association says I need more fiber, then it must be true!

Mellisa McJunkin
6 years 9 months ago

Actually it’s not the American Heart Association that says you need more fiber. They just report that the average american only gets about half of the DRI of fiber.

The Dietary Reference Intake (DRI) is a system of nutrition recommendations that comes from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences.

Jasmin
Jasmin
6 years 8 months ago

There’s a really interesting theory being thrown around by the doctors right now, that the reason there’s such a jump in intestinal disorders in the first world (and only the first world) is caused by having a diet that’s too clean, and there’s been some interesting studies on treating Crohn’s disease by feeding the patients intestinal worms.
I’m just saying, I’m much less scared of parasites in the food than I am of the antibiotics/hormones. Our bodies are used to parasites.

Donnersberg
Donnersberg
5 years 4 months ago

“…would it hurt them to supplement with psyllium? I don’t think so….”

Uhggg, good luck with your colon health =P

http://www.gutsense.org

Dr. Natura's Colonix
6 years 9 months ago
Dr. Natura’s Colonix does this. They pack their “cleansing” product with so much psyllium, it then bulks up inside your intestinal tract, only to come out looking like the “poop-ropes” you describe. They try to pass it off as if it’s the “mucoid plaque” bogging you down, but in reality it’s just the product you ingested yourself. Sadly, on their website, you’ll see people proudly holding up their feces as if it’s an accomplishment. lol. The truth is, if you eat enough fresh fruits and vegetables, you’ll get all the fiber your body needs. Plus, you’ll get plenty of essential… Read more »
David Scharps
David Scharps
6 years 9 months ago
Mark, Perhaps it makes sense to consider colon cleansing isolated from cleansing and detox diets. There seems to be confusion here as I do not think there are many who to listen to what you have to say believe in diets like these but there sure is controvery over maintaining a healthy colon and those that rationize cleaning colons as a means to engage in a food regimen that is extreme in its nature. The question becomes, with most americans constipated and with slow moving colons, what can be done to get them moving along in a more normal fashion… Read more »
vargas
vargas
6 years 9 months ago
Anything can be called “snake oil” if people don’t understand what that thing is designed to do. I’m sure many of those in the CW community see the primal diet as snake oil too. People attack what they don’t understand. Detox diets do work if done for the right reasons. Some people go overboard with them and damage their health but for some of us they are the first step in getting healthy again. I had severe eczema and after a decade of dealing with dermatologists that didn’t do a damn thing for my skin condition I went to a… Read more »
Kapo
Kapo
6 years 9 months ago

Thank the gods you laid this one to rest, Mark. Once I dabbled in this stuff, and although it did me no harn, it was just an uncomfortable bore.

Ernie O'Malley
Ernie O'Malley
6 years 9 months ago

Mark,

I agree with you in all points, but…

what about all the substances/molecules/drugs/toxins that are made by the human and accumulate in our body or disturb homeostatic regulations and our tissues?

NikFromNYC
NikFromNYC
6 years 8 months ago

I once ate a small bag of sunflower seeds in the shell without removing the shells, having vaguely remembered doing so in the distant past (wrong…that was peanuts). They turned into little knives that came out bright red. I had been not only “cleansed” but roto-rooted.

Henry
Henry
6 years 8 months ago
Hi chaps, A mate of mine just finished a 7 day fast, just drinking water and fresh fruit juice. He combined it with a visit to a colonic irrigation clinic where he got flushed out (6 times, 6 days). He said that on day 4 he started to discharge this plasticlike stuff which looked very much like the mucoid plaque shown on some these websites. It continued discharging with each visit for 2 more days. He did not ingest any supplements or dietary fibre, psyllium husk etc at all before or during the fast period so it couldn’t be attributed… Read more »
Julia
6 years 3 months ago
I’m a fan of Mark, but I’m also a fan of CLEAN by Dr. Alejandro Junger- I do cleanse periodically, and I don’t buy into Colonix, Master Cleanse, etc. The good doc states that our bodies produce mucous in response to inflammation, which is in response to a toxic lifestyle; when you are in the detox process, said mucous is expelled via the bowels (i.e. not pounds of stagnant poo). I don’t drink all the detox KoolAid, but this makes sense to me, and the Clean Program helped me discover that a gluten sensitivity had been keeping me miserable for… Read more »
Christian
Christian
6 years 7 months ago

I especially love about this article how this guy goes on about people that sound great selling products and telling you the medical world is lying to us, when this guys sounds great, with a real lack of scientific evidence, goes to the extremes and doesn’t take the time to actually investigate cleansing, and then promotes his own stuff. Your awesome man…keep up the great work. We need more people like you!

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Colon
6 years 6 months ago

You can read a lot of articles off her website and check out some videos on youtube. There’s a great video that has a raw food vs. cooked food debate between Brigitte mars and her.

nathan
6 years 3 months ago

I bought a detox kit once and just ended up getting sick. But hey, that means it’s working right? Hmmm…

Mary
Mary
6 years 2 months ago
I agree that the commercial psyllium and laxative based “cleansing” products are ill advised (yes that icky stuff is hydrated psyllium molded by the gut–so lovely) however I seriously question the wholesale dismissing of all modalities and practices intended to support and facilitate detoxification. I have seen, though I am not sure of its validity, endoscopic evidence of unclean and unhealthy colon–Search for Dr. Hiromi Shinya on youtube and you will find it. For those who have an interest in the subject and are sympathetic to the paleo way of eating and living (as I am) the book, “The Wellness… Read more »
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Fred Van
6 years 21 days ago
I recently visited a health food store and talked to a man getting an “Ionic Water Foot Detox.” He pointed to the water and said, look at all the toxins being removed. Yes, the water was a YUCKY color. I was a skeptic, and did the research on it. It is a scam. The water was salt water, and the electrodes sent a current through the water, as in electrolysis. The water would have changed color anyway even if his feet were not in it. The discolored water was a result of the electrodes being eaten away by the current… Read more »
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